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#G0616* – As A Polish/Scot Could he be protecting his pension!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 10/10/2011


I’ve just read this study in stupidity regarding UKIP & The EU in none other than Tribune – The article is so very simplistic, so very biased and so very fundamentally anti British I guess it could only have been written by an ex Labour EUrope Minister in protection of his EU Pensions and those of the rest of the cadre of self enriching EU Parasites – little wonder he is a Polish / Scot!

by Denis MacShane Sunday, October 9th, 2011

Quote The late Julian Critchley was the Conservative MP who invented the concept of the “Garageiste Tendency” to describe hard-line Tory MPs who had made money by selling cars and wanted Margaret Thatcher to be even more right-wing than she was. Now let us all welcome the “Farageiste Tendency” – the group of hardline Tories who want Britain to quit the European Union, seek the unilateral renegotiation of EU treaties to weaken workers’ or women’s rights, or force David Cameron to organise a plebiscite with a view to withdrawal.
One hundred and twenty Tory MPs – a majority of non-payroll Conservative backbenchers – have formed a group calling for a referendum on whether Britain should leave the EU. They echo the UK Independence Party leader and MEP Nigel Farage, to whom it seems the BBC has almost given staff status, so often is he on television and radio as an anti-EU propagandist. Farage is to the Conservatives what Ted Knight was to Labour. Tory MPs may not be paying UKIP membership subscriptions but they are infiltrating Farage’s philosophy deep into their party and government. Conservative ministers are in a bind.
For more than a decade, David Cameron, William Hague and Liam Fox all used vivid language to denounce Europe. Hague made openly xenophobic jokes about Germans or the French. Mocking our European friends is time-honoured and they give as good as they get when describing “les Rosbifs”. But Hague’s language had an uglier edge. It still has. Last week, he used the extreme metaphor of saying the eurozone is a “burning building with no exit.” At a time when German and Polish leaders were meeting in Warsaw to discuss what to do about Ukraine and Russia, a British politician talking of Europe as a “burning building” was tasteless to say the least.
In order to win the Tory leadership, Cameron entered into a pact with Fox’s supporters. Fox’s price was that the Conservatives should quit the main EU centre-right political family where Tories had worked since Winston Churchill and Harold Macmillan gave birth to Tory Europeanism 60 years ago.

Nick Clegg was on the button when he described Cameron’s and Hague’s new European allies as “nutters, anti-Semites and homophobes”. So the idea that anyone in Paris, Berlin, Stockholm, Madrid, or Warsaw has any interest in anything David Cameron or George Osborne has to say is laughable. For all its problems – and they are many – the EU is the world’s biggest economy. Half the world’s top companies are based in the EU with more coming in to take advantage of its 500 million consumers and £10.3 trillion economy. Of course, China and Brazil, and mono-economies such as Russia and Saudi Arabia, are important. Yet Chinese goods are made in China but by EU or United States firms. The United Kingdom exports more to Ireland than to China – and the Irish are not giving up the euro… etc.

I tend to read Tribune from time to time as it is so much more expensively produced than Private Eye though less informative and trustworthy – but being of a certain age I find The Eye a struggle to read even in good light with glasses!

Tribune though less colourful than Viz is much funnier and less inclined to obscenities although the humour in Tribune passes for serious thought at least it isn’t riddled with obscenities!

Do read the whole of the hapless Denis MacShane’s article parts of it are even funnier!

Let us look at just the last sentence of the extract from Tribune of the idiotic article by Denis MacShane, one time Polish/Scottish British EUropean Minister for the odious and utterly inept and corrupt Labour Government booted out on excellent grounds leaving Britain with £$.2Trillion of debt ALL based on their economic illiteracy and total dishonesty.

Here is an example:

The United Kingdom exports more to Ireland than to China – and the Irish are not giving up the euro.

Clearly this sentence alone is based on dishonesty and seeking to play on the ignorance not only of Labour but of the population at large consider:

The United Kingdom exports more to Ireland than to China

Indeed These United Kingdoms export little to China in our own right as sequential Governments have handed over control of our industry to the malign forces of corruption and profligacy of The EU central control.

British Airo Space & BAE Systems etc. have largely been absorbed into the airo space industry of the EU where the wings are made in one place and the wheels in another, the engines in one location and the fuselage in another and run as a bolt on industry owned in consortia with EU Countries – one of THE most inefficient ways to build anything in the world and by The EU crass maxims of communism aka green idiocy on stilts with so much transport cost and spread of pollution.

None the less, although unprofitably, These UK are a party to this madness and exports planes to China – thus with Airbus Britain exports a great deal to China – not to mention the BRITISH share of payment for such projects as the inopperable and failed Gallilleo Project of which about 50% was sold to China.

I would say that as ever Denis MacShane is being utterly dishonest when he misrepresents the huge amount of trade Britain does with China!

the Irish are not giving up the euro.

Regardless of the democratic wishes of The Irish peoples who promptly fired their domestic politicians for their betrayal of the people – when the Irish peoples had voted NO and a huge amount of EU money was used to buy a re-run and an undemocratic Yes vote was corruptly obtained completely ignoring the rights of self determination and democratic wishes of the peoples.

I presume that as an example of the achievements of such democratic processes Denis MacShane would present Joseph Stalin & Adolph Hitler since both were voted into office by a democratic process – I would be unsurprised to hear him extolling the virtues of such a concept as economic miracles despite the death of some 30Million in The USSR Labour force and starvation and the concepts of IG Faben with their Cadburyesque / Port Sunlight style workers villages though I guess Auschwitz did have a few minor faults!!

I see absolutely no value in these United Kingdoms being shackled to a steadily dieing arcane experiment in communist/socialist social engineering.

Perhaps Denis MacShane, since he quoted him, might care to share with us any single instance where Winston Spencer Churchill advocated these United Kingdoms be subsumed as a vassal region of the malign behemoth of a centralised and undemocratic EU – Just one!

Many will remember WSC stated: Quote “If the choice is join with Europe or take to the open sea this island nation should take to the open sea”.

Regards, Greg_L-W.

“In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.” 
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The disastrous effects of British politicians selling Britain into the thrall of foreign rule by the EU for their own personal rewards has damaged the well-being of Britain more than the armies of Hitler and the Franco – German – Italian axis of 1939 – 1945.

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#G0606* – Roger HELMER’S Blog Shows He Is Bereft of Support!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 30/08/2011

#G0606* – Roger HELMER’S Blog Shows He Is Bereft of Support!


here is a cature of Roger Helmer’s weblog at 13:00hrs. 30-Aug-2011

True Believers
August 29, 2011, 7:46 am
Filed under: Uncategorized

It’s worth reading Garrison Keillor’s hilarious book “Lake Wobegone Days”, if only for the very perceptive chapter on the small protestant denomination in which he was raised. I recognise the scenario, as I was raised in a rather similar one. Such groups are riven with factionalism and schism. Each faction has some slightly different (but vital) alternative interpretation of Holy Writ, and the divisions become smaller and smaller, even within families, until you have the impression that each adherent is convinced that he is the only true believer, and that all the others are suspect one way or another.
Sadly, the Eurosceptic movement in Britain is rather similar. Too many eurosceptics spend their time sniping at each other, rather than turning their guns on the real enemy, which in this case is Brussels.
I was alerted by my indomitable press officer Neelam Cartmell to a web-site called Autonomous Mind, which appears to be of the UKIP persuasion, and has a host of contributors eager to attack Conservative Eurosceptics who clearly (in their terms) are not Eurosceptics at all, but part of a great Tory plot to burnish sceptical credentials whilst pursuing an integrationist policy. Autonomous Mind (AM), by the way, is said to “disdain Nigel Farage” — illustrating my point about factionalism and schism.
AM had published an “Open letter to Roger Helmer MEP”, which had attracted some angry comment. But at least Mr. AM invited me to respond — so I did. You may be amused by some of my replies.
Bellvue alleged that Roger Helman (sic) MEP was a cowardly shit. “I recognise neither the name Roger Helman, nor the appellation “cowardly shit”, so I think you must be engaged in a different conversation”.
Brian H asserted that all politicians were liars: “Unlike George Washington, I would not claim that I’d never told a lie. But I would say that I have never knowingly dissembled about any political question: indeed if you had followed my career you would know that I am in constant trouble for too much straight talking”.
David Phipps insisted we all knew that repatriation (of powers from Brussels) would never happen: I certainly don’t “know that repatriation will never happen”. There is a head of steam building up in the parliamentary party. It has been commented on by, amongst others, Tim Montgomerie, who has his ear to the ground. We now have the European Union Act which prescribes a referendum in specific circumstances. Those circumstances could arise with the proposed new arrangements for a euro-debt-union. I don’t think Cameron can move at this stage without upsetting the Coalition — and therefore the fiscal recovery plan. But he could do so before the next election.
Jeremy Poynton asks “Exactly who do you represent?”. I think you mean “whom”. I represent about 4.2 million people in the East Midlands, and I have been elected top of the list on three successive occasions — ‘99, ‘04, ‘09. I think my democratic legitimacy probably exceeds that of most correspondents to AM.
Patrick Harris asks why politicians don’t sue the European Commission for breaches of EU law: I think your answer is that there is no realistic hope that the European Court of Justice would ever hand down a ruling opposed to European integration. A court action would be a huge waste of time and money. But of course if you think you have a case — there’s nothing to stop you bringing an action.
Jones “Do you at least agree that commentators on this blog have a point?”: Indeed. Many of the commentators have a point. But I’m not sure that they have a strategy.
Uncle Badger rants: “Antipathy to the EU is rife …. If you are not willing to represent that view….”. What do you imagine I have been doing for the last twelve years? I’ve been expressing my antipathy to the EU in blogs, newsletters, Tweets, (@RogerHelmerMEP), web-sites; press releases, books, DVDs; on radio and TV; in the Conservative Party and in the European parliament! You might check your facts before sounding off. And you might note my earlier comments: too many Eurosceptics spend their time attacking each other, not attacking Brussels.
AM is said to disdain Nigel Farage: Sorry to hear that you regard Nigel Farage with disdain. I have a lot of time for him. A good guy.
John Payne argues that European integration in the Conservative Party is driven by the Whips: Interested by your theory that EU integration is driven by the Whips. Last time I checked, the Chief Whip was Patrick McLoughlin MP — he’s on my patch and I certainly don’t see him as a fifth column for Brussels.
Finally, they ask, why do some eurosceptics in Westminster occasionally appear to support some integrationist measures? Is it better to seek to move the Conservative Party in a Eurosceptic direction over time (which implies some compromise with Party policy), or to make one grand kamikaze gesture which rules you out of the action ever after, even though it gains the applause of Autonomous Mind?

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Roger, the main point is we’ve heard it all before. We are past the point of repatriating powers. We don’t believe it anymore. We want out. It’s quite simple.

Comment by Sue August 29, 2011 @ 1:18 pm

[…] he has presented the exchanges of recent days on this blog to the readers of his blog. This is how Helmer introduces his reply to AM readers who left comments for him in the Open Letter thread: Sadly, the Eurosceptic movement […]

Pingback by Roger Helmer dismisses criticism and covers for faux Tory Eurosceptics « Autonomous Mind August 29, 2011 @ 2:50 pm


Sir you show the true arrogance that we the populace have grown to hate, you do not answer points made but as usual use emotive language to dismiss us as a fringe element,
I am quite sure there are many politicos who would like to get t as strong a vote as there was for a poll held by You Gov in favour to get out of Europe.
I never hear from any of you in power that convinces me what if any benefits we get from this fradulent body that the money we give could not be spent better here, in rebuilding this country.

Comment by maureen gannon August 29, 2011 @ 3:20 pm

You criticise me — that’s OK. I reply — that’s “arrogant”. Seems I just can’t win — except in elections.

Comment by rjhmepRoger helmer MEP August 30, 2011 @ 5:52 am

Somebody has to win the lottery as well … and the outcome is about as relevant. But if the ability to stuff your pockets with public dosh, and crow about it is a test of arrogance, you just passed the test.

Comment by Richard North August 30, 2011 @ 9:02 am

Sue, if there really is going to be a withdraw isn’t it time to be offering up the argued alternative. My impression is that this fight isn’t as clear cut as you suggest. The democratic process supports the E.U. far more than you might hope. Roger certainly isn’t the enemy, the road blocks are real and cannot be circumvented by any amount of wishful thinking. Getting ourselves out of this euro-black-hole isn’t going to be an overnight velvet revolution, it is going to be a long hard grind.

Comment by Ross J Warren August 29, 2011 @ 3:53 pm

Ross, there will never be a right time to be offering a withdraw. Infact, the longer we leave this desperate situation, the less power and money we will have. I know Roger isn’t the enemy, I like Roger.

All we want is what we are entitled to. To be given a referendum. In or Out.

Anyone denying the British people that right, does not believe in the democratic process and any politician who advocates denying us that right, should not be in the British Government.

Comment by Sue August 29, 2011 @ 7:27 pm

Thanks Sue. As I have said many times, I too want an In/Out referendum, and have been a main supporter of the Better Off Out campaign, through the Freedom Association. But I should also welcome a referendum on any other EU issue, if only to demonstrate the strength of feeling out there.

Comment by rjhmepRoger helmer MEP August 30, 2011 @ 5:54 am

Mr Helmer, I hope you’re not implying that Eustice & Co are the way forward for the Conservative Party? How many more years would you have us listen to the opinions of focus groups, MEPs and MPs – each saying how much they dislike the EU construct, how it is anti-democratic, how it has undermined our national sovereignty? They seem to think that’s enough and it will keep people happy for a while. Well, it isn’t and it won’t.

Comment by Goodnight Vienna August 29, 2011 @ 3:57 pm

The trouble is, Helmer, there is no such thing as a Tory Eurosceptic … merely Judas goats to lead the gullible into more integration.

Comment by Richard North August 29, 2011 @ 4:52 pm

Sorry, Richard, but there is indeed such a thing as a Tory eurosceptic. Me, for example.

Comment by rjhmepRoger helmer MEP August 30, 2011 @ 5:55 am

A contradiction in terms … which makes you the classic Judas goat, leading the gullible into the Tory fold. You go all the way with the sheep behind you … only to peel away at the last minute.

Comment by Richard North August 30, 2011 @ 9:05 am


do you honestly believe your rhetoric and sales puff Helmer?

Richard is right.

Please tell us all of your actual achievements to extract these United Kingdoms from the malign grasp of The EU as a vassal region.

Minded of just how much in bribes and expenses you have achieved you do talk some total self serving venal twaddle!

But then again The Judas Goat is worth a great deal to the slaughter house.


Comment by Greg_L-W. August 30, 2011 @ 11:59 am

I have to say that your comments Roger reaffirm my belief that should the UK exit the EU it will be no thanks to the Tory Party.
I’ve fought our membership for over 25 years, and I’ve heard the same old tired words year in year out – “that the Tory party is eurosceptic, that voting Tory will help more eurosceptic MPs into Westminister etc etc”. All of it has proven to be completely untrue of course.
The Tories have been the most europhile party in history; they took us in on a lie (supported by Thatcher) passed the Single European Act, shadowed the ERM which led to the 90s recession, joined the ERM, passed the Maastricht, gave away our armed forces in the mid 90s to the EU and so on.
In my experience, when we get a Tory Government EU integration gets faster and goes further – a point you acknowledged yourself Roger:
Put simply the Tory party wants more EU – its actions prove this time and time again whatever their weasel words try to suggest otherwise. A vote for the Tories is a vote for more EU integration. And I want no part of it.

Comment by TheBoilingFrog August 29, 2011 @ 4:53 pm

The main point that Roger makes is actually spot on. We eurosceptics are a divide bunch, rather like those in the Life Of Brian – The Judean Front and the Front of Judea. If only a miracle would occur and we could be brought together into one strong organisation. Today we have several different petitions for a referendum on “In Or Out”. UKIP in particular is famous for the splits which have dogged it more or less from its inception. If all sceptics joined their local Conservative Party, they could have real influence. There are only two parties that can get us out of the EU, and of the two, I still think the Conservatives are the more likely.

Comment by Derek August 29, 2011 @ 8:20 pm

I think our main problem is that the term “eurosceptic” has no precise definition, although I have always taken it to mean someone who wants to leave the EU. As such, we have a situation where many people who call themselves eurosceptics are not … and have a different agenda.

If, however, the essential definition requires a determination to leave the EU, then membership of the Conservative Party is incompatible with being a eurosceptic.

Further, it is not wise to assume that withdrawal will be achieved through or by a political party. Most fundamental changes are driven by movements, outside the party political machinery, with the political parties reacting to outside pressure rather than initiating the changes.

As such, it is important that eurosceptics should not compromise by being members of any parties which, quite clearly, do not share their values.

Comment by Richard North August 29, 2011 @ 9:09 pm

Why should we have had to think about forming a party, I was niave, [along with many others] enough to believe Mr Chamelon, that we would be given a vote on any likely- hood of more sovereignty being lost, and yet we are not being given one on the transaction tax ,or the fact that the fraudelent body that rules us from Brussels wants an Integrated maritime policy, that England is being regionalised at the behest of europe via the ‘We are all in it together localism bill,
any of those should give us the promised referendum I admit to being duped , the man is slick of tongue much like the snake oil sellers in the wild west . well he won’t suck me in again and there are many like me .

Comment by maureen gannon August 29, 2011 @ 8:52 pm


the true looters are the very politicians who draw their huge bribes (the pretend it is a salary for work when they do none of consequence!), fiddle their expenses, defend their drinking chums when caught.

Look at the serried ranks of bloated over paid Local Government parasites, QUANGO chiefs and Government advisers (brothers in law etc.) and meeeja consultants.

These are the true looters OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN whilst yet more serried ranks of Judges, politicians, vicars, teachers, BBC staff, social service workers and the like who when convicted AND FOUND GUILTY of child abuse walk free!

Is the abuse of children nothing more than a perk of Government employment?

Even the likes of Roger Helmer might care to tell us all what actual achievements he has to his name as a Politician, in return for the many £Millions he has accepted as funding/bribes from the scam.

Comment by Greg_L-W. August 30, 2011 @ 3:59 am


this is of course the chap who defended Tom Wise and his criminality, publicly attacking me for my temerity in exposing the fraud and embezzling by his drinking chum. Just as did UKIP leadership in ever more dishonest terms – Nigel Farage even lied on TV to protect Tom Wise and himself.

Where does Patriotism enter into such self interest?

Some may remember when drinking in a pub in Belgium, with a young girl from The NoTW, that Roger Helmer was filmed seeking ways to have his home relocated in mapping terms so that he could claim even more expenses.

This may be the practice within the many globalist corporations for whom he worked prior to moving to politics!

He even admits to 3 terms as an MEP when we have seen not one inch of movement to the exit, but a great deal of self enrichment by the likes of Roger Helmer seemingly with his chums Farage, Tom Wise, Daniel Hannan – all too willing to act as The Judas Goat.

It is hard to differentiate between the levels of betrayal of the huge majority of our MPs and that of almost all of our MEPs and minded of how little they have achieved it is clearly a grossly overpaid job with absolutely no ethics and less integrity required.

Sad that so many lives have been given in defence of our liberty and a huge amount of faith has been placed in our MPs and MEPs who almost to a man seem to have betrayed these United Kingdoms.

The great tragedy is the huge amount of lives this will cost in the wars of disassociation that are increasingly inevitable because of OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN

Comment by Greg_L-W. August 30, 2011 @ 4:06 am

Sorry Roger , Yes you do win but then you must admit there are more who do not vote than do, and winning a seat can often mean the area is traditional to a certain party,
I now feel disenfranchised and dissalusioned, I will still go to the voting booth as I know women died for me to do so, and not to be given the label apathetic which I am not, but it will be a spoilt paper untill politico’s learn not just to listen but to hear. what we are saying.

Comment by maureen gannon August 30, 2011 @ 9:21 am


Ms. Gannon is right but also overlooks the skills of The Judas Goat who can dupe the sheep to lead them into the slaughter house.

The goat is well rewarded for betraying the sheep.

We need only look at the proliferation of petitions to see how the Judas Goats will act to seek to undermine the efficacy of a petition on behalf of their real masters viz. Dan Hannan.Mark Glendenning’s copy cat petition when they couldn’t run the original one.

UKIP’s petition out of spite when Nikki Sinclaire’s was having such success.

UKIP launches petitions but has NEVER delivered save it seems money into the accounts of the few!

Now we have a Tory spoiler for the Tory BOO campaign!

The Tories like Labour will tell ANY lie to stay in place they even surrendered power to our competitors/enemies The EEC in return for the pretence of retaining power/income!

Westminster is nothing more than an EU QUANGO.

Like the directors of QUANGOs overpaid as part of the Kleptocracy and of no meaningful value.

The sickening lies of the politicians and their parasites in the pretence they work for us! What unmitigated balderdash!

But The Judas Goat is well rewarded as OUR-ENEMY-WITHIN

Comment by Greg_L-W. August 30, 2011 @ 11:54 am

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