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The Risks & Duplicity In a Referendum on EU Membership.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 31/08/2014

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.The Risks & Duplicity In a Referendum on EU Membership.

 

If Dave and his pals are our ‘clever elite’ why does Nigel make them look so stupid?

By Peter Hitchens

The only interesting things about Douglas Carswell’s switch from the Tory Party to Ukip are that it took him so long and that he has acted alone. Any thinking person has been able to see for years that the Tory Party hates conservatives. It is a roadblock, not a road, championing the elite against the people.

It is kept in being only by the BBC and various dodgy billionaires, who provide it with airtime and money out of all proportion to its real support. It has no actual aims except office at all costs.

It has no actual policies either, only negative smear campaigns, falsely portraying Ukip as mad Nazis, or Ed Miliband as some kind of Trotskyist loony.

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Laughing all the way: Even Nigel Farage has more of a clue about how the world works than our supposedly clever elite, writes Hitchens

Laughing all the way: Even Nigel Farage has more of a clue about how the world works than our supposedly clever elite, writes Hitchens

The party leader has never pretended to be anything other than he is – the heir to Blair. That is why so much of the Left-wing media prefer David Cameron to Ed Miliband.

Mr Cameron’s promise of a referendum on EU membership is worthless three times over. First, nobody can rely on his word after his broken promise to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

Second, Mr Cameron could  not win a Westminster majority in 2010, and there is even less chance of his doing so next May, as he well knows. He could promise paradise and be sure he would never have to deliver it. 

 
Conservative MP Douglas Carswell has defected to UKIP
 

Third, does anyone seriously think that a referendum on EU membership could be or would  be conducted fairly in a country whose main source of news is the BBC, and whose whole media establishment is pro-EU?

As I write, I have in front of me the sad relics of the 1975 referendum on the same subject. I had a narrow escape. I had meant to vote to stay in. But I voted ‘No’  (to leave) after my officially impartial local newspaper delayed a story I had written on the eve of the vote because it would have harmed the ‘Yes’ campaign.

Months of brainwashing were cancelled out by this sharp personal experience of the ‘Yes’ campaign’s instinctive and necessary dishonesty. If it didn’t lie about its real aims, it would never get any support. The whole thing was rigged from the start (as Mr Cameron’s would be).

There are no laws to stop this. In 1975, the state used taxes to pay for and send out two pamphlets urging a ‘stay in’ vote – one from the Government and one from  the ‘Yes’ campaign’ – but only one from the ‘No’ campaign.

Read them now and the ‘Yes’ material is often dishonest drivel, including a false claim that the threat of economic and monetary union ‘has been removed’. Not exactly. The ‘No’ pamphlet, by contrast, is prophetic and truthful.

But in 1975, nobody foresaw that the EU would one day abolish British passports and force us to throw open our borders to legions of low-paid workers from the former communist bloc. Nor could they have known that the EU would be aggressively fomenting a new war with Russia, using our money to do so.

Brussels distributed more than £300 million of taxpayers’ money in Ukraine between 2007 and 2013. It went to all kinds of lucky recipients, so it is no great surprise that Kiev blossomed with EU flags last winter during the violent mob putsch which so many idiots in the West supported.

They were generally the same idiots who supported the ‘Arab Spring’, and so helped plunge Libya and Syria into a sea of blood and fire, and to launch ‘Islamic State’. Now these idiots are well  on the way to starting the biggest European war since 1945, and are busy blaming Russia for having the effrontery to defend itself against this blatant aggression.

It really is time that we understood that those in charge of this country have no idea what they are doing. Even Nigel Farage has more of a clue about how the world works than our supposedly clever elite.

And yet those who could make a difference still cling to the Tory nurse for fear of finding something worse. Well, what could be worse than bankruptcy, uncontrolled mass immigration and war?

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Sadly based upon my own experience and research on this subject I incline to agree with Peter Hitchen’s comments on this issue.
However I would draw your attention to the fact that David Cameron did NOT promise a referendum on the EU’s new constitution subsequently renamed, for the purposes of obfuscation, The Lisbon Treaty – his promise of a referendum for the British peoples was duplicitously promised based on the condition that the treaty had not been signed when he came to power; a promise he must surely have known would never have to be honoured!
You will also note that Nigel Farage and his cult followers in Ukip made virtually no effort to oppose the Lisbon Treaty in Britain or Brussels prior to its being signed; many will recall Farage spent his time swanning around in Ireland aiding associates, seeking to gain the backing of Declan Ganley it seemed; sheltering behind their claim that the Tories were doing the work to oppose it – They were not!
There is every reason to believe that even without direct lies from the largely self serving political elite in Britain it is likely that ignorance on the part of the electorate and biased media coverage using innuendo and F.U.D. would ensure that Britain would vote for its own continued destruction – just as there is every possibility the Scots will vote for their own destruction with a Yes vote injust a few days time, on the 18-Sep-2014.
Sadly the concept of ‘One man one vote’ in a so called democracy most clearly leads automatically to ‘Rule by The Fool’!
It is also worth responding to Peter Hitchen’s simplistic question
‘If Dave and his pals are our ‘clever elite’ why does Nigel make them look so stupid?’
Hitchens clearly chooses to overlook just how easy it is to look good as a showman and populist when pandering to the lowest levels as a critic in opposition with a huge budget funded by the tax payer to the tune of £Millions!
It is an entirely different matter when one has to act with measured gravitas and actually represent ones country on an accountable basis with its downside risks!

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IEA, BrExit, Referendum, UKIP & Christopher Booker’s View

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 27/04/2014

IEA, BrExit, Referendum, UKIP & Christopher Booker’s View

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Hi,

with the upcoming EU elections on 22-May-2014 I felt it was apposite to revisit the question on the minds of the majority of Brits which tends to stretch from the simple and in my opinion sensible Leave-The-EU option which in the long term would I believe serve our peoples, our Country and our planet best and the unworkable and dishonest idiocy of re-negotiated terms with the EU as put forward by Tories who quite clearly are either hideously ill informed as to how the EU functions or just obscenely dishonest in pretending they can change the EU and get unanimous support amongst the other vassal states – the precondition for any major change!

Revisiting an article of Christopher Bookers from last summer little or nothing has changed – UKIP still haven’t a clue and have absolutely no exit and survival strategy just a clique squabbling like ferrets in a sack to stay on the gravy train, with the aim to get more MEPs elected but with zero vision and less hope of changing ANYTHING having abjectly failed to do so to date, hence their continued failure in domestic politics!

The Torieas were shocked into a debate in The House of Commons by the Independent MEP Nikki Sinclaire who gathered well over 200,000 signatures and forced the debate to occur, a debate in which David Cameron’s Government was confronted with his largest ever rebellion and was thus forced to make an undertaking to hold a referendum, allbeit he hedged his bets as ever.

 

To carry on the fight for a referendum Nikki Sinclaire formed the ‘We demand A Referendum Now Party’ and is standing for the cause in The West Midlands as an MEP – we can but hope this hard working and refreshingly honest and open MEP is re-elected to continue her patriotic defence of Britain and her constituents.

 

Sadly UKIP having done absolutely zero to support the cause now see this as an apposite band wagon to jump on to get more income by getting more MEPs! However let us not forget thaty UKIP has no ethical leadership, lacks transparency and has such a poor selection rigging process that already candidates are falling by the wayside, exposed as racists, anti homosexual, Islamaphobic and corrupt.

 

Let us not forget that of the 19 MEPs UKIP has had elected their titular leader has subsumed almost all power to himself, controls incomes and appoints his wife and mistresses to the staff! Little wonder that of the 19 elected he has fallen out with at least half and the balance are as much use as a soup sandwich having achieved absolutely nothing of note in their period on the gracy train!

Even Ukip has no idea how to get us out of the EU trap

Our politicians are stumbling around in the dark when it comes to EU rules. There is only one way we can renegotiate our position with Europe to our advantage

Fears over trade are forcing us into a frustrating 'consensus’ position with Europe

Fears over trade are forcing us into a frustrating ‘consensus’ position with Europe Photo: Alamy
 

There is virtually no political issue that generates more ill-informed nonsense than whether or not Britain should stay in the EU. We have those 304 MPs voting for David Cameron’s wish to renegotiate our relationship with the EU and put the results to a referendum no later than 2017. We have Theresa May announcing that she is going to demand a British opt-out from 133 EU regulations on law and order, but then apply to opt in again on 35 of them. We have John Cridland, head of the CBI, repeating yet again the old canard that it would be disastrous for us to think of emulating Norway and Switzerland, the two richest countries in Europe, because although they trade freely with the EU’s single market, they have no say in shaping its rules. On and on goes such grandstanding, not touching reality at any point.

The essence of the problem is that, while the British like some aspects of the EU, other aspects make them deeply resentful, without them ever really understanding the rules or how it works. Thus, for many years, as the EU surges towards “ever closer union”, Britain has, in the words of the late Roy Jenkins, become an ever more “foot-dragging and complaining member”. On one hand, the pollsters report that up to half or more of British voters want us to leave. On the other, we have an establishment “consensus” between most of our politicians, media and big business, claiming that, although the EU in its present form is unsatisfactory and needs drastic “reform”, we must stay in for all the benefits we gain from trading with it, and because it gives us “influence”.

It is this “consensus” position that is so riddled with contradictions that it amounts to no more than multiple wishful thinking. There is no way Mr Cameron could obtain the kind of “à la carte” relationship he hints at, let alone that he could do so if re-elected, in time for a referendum in 2017. First, the rules would necessitate a new treaty, requiring procedures so lengthy that it could not possibly be completed by 2017. Second, the return of powers he claims to want would breach that most sacred principle of EU law, that national powers once surrendered can never be given back.

So, legally and practically, it is impossible that Mr Cameron could get anything of what all those MPs voted for the other day. The only semblance of a realistic understanding of all the issues involved comes from a research paper recently published by the House of Commons Library on what would be involved in a British withdrawal from the EU. This explains, with an authority no MP could muster, that the only way Britain could continue to trade freely within the single market without having to accept so much of the rest of the EU’s political baggage, would be to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.

But this, of course, can only be done by a country giving notice that it wishes to leave the EU. This alone can compel its fellow-members to negotiate with it the kind of new relationship Mr Cameron says he wants. And this he could not rule out more emphatically, as again in a recent interview with El Pais, where he said there was no way he could support a vote for Britain to leave.

Regardless of Mr Cameron’s views, however, the Commons researchers then go on to explain how Britain could continue to enjoy full access to the single market by joining Norway and Switzerland as members of the European Free Trade Area (Efta), or, like Norway, as also a member of the European Economic Area. This is precisely the option Europhiles such as Mr Cridland are so desperate to misrepresent, by falsely claiming that Norway has no influence over the single market’s trading rules. Anyone who argues this has no grasp of how the system works. Not only are Efta members fully consulted in the shaping of single market legislation, but much of it now derives from global organisations above the EU, in which Norway has a voice in its own right, exercising more influence than Britain, which too often has to allow the EU to speak for it.

But it is this argument – playing on the fear that unless we remain in the EU we will be without influence and even excluded from trading with it – that would be made the centrepiece of the campaign in any referendum on Britain’s continued membership. So relentlessly would it be put over by supporters of the “consensus”, given full voice by the BBC, Open Europe and others, that it is almost a foregone conclusion that the stay-in vote would win the day.

What has so far been almost wholly lacking from the debate on all this is any properly worked-out alternative vision of what Britain’s future in the world could be if we were to regain our independence by leaving. Equally lacking, although it is again explored in the Commons research paper, is any recognition of just how incredibly complicated a British withdrawal from the EU would be, because we are enmeshed with it by such a mountain of laws and other legal obligations. To disentangle all this would present a challenge so immense that it could only be brought off by a government fully committed to the task and fired up by a vision of how well Britain could thrive outside the EU. This would require a degree of political will which so far simply doesn’t exist.

One of the odd features of this debate is that the only party committed to a British exit from the EU, Ukip, appears to have little understanding of how this could, in practice, be achieved – let alone a positive vision of how well Britain could fare outside it, to counterbalance the relentless defeatism and negativity with which the “consensus” establishment would seek to terrify us into staying in. Too many Ukip supporters take equal refuge from reality by pretending that we could simply wave a magic wand by repealing the European Communities Act. With one mighty bound we would be free. Sorted. These are children.

I confess that when I read that Commons research paper, although it did not say anything new, I did end up depressed. Its calm, common-sense reviewing of the real issues once again brings home just how inane most of the public debate over Britain’s membership of the EU has become. Without the vision and the will to work for a positive alternative, it seems we are doomed just to limp helplessly on as a “foot-dragging and complaining member” of the “European project”, as it itself staggers helplessly on into a drably visionless and ever more uncertain future. So saying, I am off for a few days to Italy to look at 15th-century paintings, from the time when Europe was still in that frenzy of creativity and intellectual engagement that was to make its civilisation the glory of the world.

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One thing that has changed since Christopher wrote this article is that a wave of optimism did sweep through the informed as the IEA announced the BrExit prize offering £100K to the winner who came up with the very best and most workable exit strategy to follow the day Britain was announced it would Leave-The-EU.

For a little more detail CLICK HERE
Sadly it transpired that it would seem to have been rigged to suit, it would seem, just one judge who presented a paper immediately before the closing date and would seem to have had a hand in ensuring the apparently pre advised competitors who upheld his unworkable and ill informed paper passed to the final round.
The eventual winner chosen, it would seem by preselection, put forward a particularly ill informed paper which offerd a clearly unworkable solution which was backed by very little refertencing and researching apparent.
To be fair to the IEA they were clearly embarrassed by the exposure of Roger Bootle’s apparent dishonesty and corruption of the process that they withdrew his voting rights as a judge, however the lacked the ethics to denounce him and ensure those who seem to have, either unwittingly or deliberately, cheated were debarred.
I would hazard a guess that there was a pre scan of the 17 finalists and it was suggested that the judges should only bother reading the efforts of the predetermined submissions.
Perhaps I am being a little too harsh, but I did read every submission published and they were weak and unworkable and ill informed thus astonishingly lightweight for  matter of such gravitas.
You may by all means track down the chosen ones via The IEA’s web site and judge for yourself but when compared with the submission I believe to have been the best I would contend there was no competition and even Roger Bootle’s effort was lame in the extreme.
Judge for yourself CLICK HERE
Dr. Richard North’s submission CLICK HERE
It would seem the prize itself has sunk without trace as when you make a Google Search of the issue the media have largely ignored it, no doubt having reached the same conclusion I have here proffered. Further The IEA themselves seem embarrassed by their own apparent dishonesty and have seemingly, having been caught out, dropped the matter like a hot potato in the hope their apparent corruption is overlooked and will not damage their income stream from gullible donors!
IF my conclusion is in some way flawed then perhaps The IEA would care to explain why they, having squandered £100K of donor’s money on their lightweight and unworkable winner have failed to take the matter forward!

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#G0614* – GREECE HAS DEFAULTED

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 30/09/2011

#G0614* – GREECE HAS DEFAULTED

Hi,

all too readily people forget their recent history and permit propaganda and Aesopian language to start to write the next chapters of history!

Let us not forget that Gordon Brown aided by the gathered idiots in Blair’s and his criminal cabinet are directly responsible for the financial mess Britain is currently in! Think how much worse it would have been had it not been for the one clear leader of the last 20 years.

With clear leadership, and let us face it there was no one else of note in The Referendum Party – it was the clear leadership of Sir James Goldsmith that forced the hand of Government and ensured Britain could not glibly be betrayed by entering the EUro with its totally predictable pending failure we see with the Default of Greece and for all its dishonest language Greece HAS defaulted!

The EU in a desperate move to try to deny its abject failure may call it ‘Restructuring’ or is the buzz word ‘Rescheduling’ – but I put it to you that if you had £100,000 on deposit with your bank and it blithely told you it had restructured its payments to you so that it would only pay you £50,000 and would need you to deposit more for them to pay you interest and they intended to print more cash thus devaluing the money to half its value and it would start repaying if it could at some time in the future after devaluation and you MIGHT get £25,000 in value eventually – I just have this feeling you would call that default – if not outright theft NOT ‘restructuring’.

Inventing words to dishonestly misrepresent situations is an old and rather sordid trick – consider homosexuals who instead of admitting they are perverts insist on normal heterosexuals calling them ‘gay’ – What dishonest balderdash!

Just as calling the DEFAULT of Greece ‘restructuring’ – with an obscenely bloated public sector, a bit of tourism and absolutely no exports of consequence (well Feta Cheese and bulk olive oil for bottling overseas) Greece is BUST and has no choice but Default with absolutely no chance of survival within the EUro as with Italy, Portugal, Cyprus, Spain and Ireland – their only hope is charity and the only country able to provide that charity over the next 20 years, and it will take at least 20 years IF it works, is Germany.

The downside is clear – money that would have advanced the EU scam and might have helped towards growth will now be squandered on demeaning the default countries as they emerge to follow Greece.

The size of the debt and the piddly amount now on the table for the bail out is like the drunk peeing on a burning building to put out the fire – as the dawn rises over the ashes and the truth comes to light the building WILL have burned down but only dawn will show if the drunk fell in the fire and was consumed as the little hiss of steam as he urinated will be long forgotten.

“In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.” 
Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821)

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British Politicians with pens and treachery, in pursuit of their own agenda and greed, have done more damage to the liberty, freedoms, rights and democracy of the British peoples than any army in over 1,000 years.

The disastrous effects of British politicians selling Britain into the thrall of foreign rule by the EU for their own personal rewards has damaged the well-being of Britain more than the armies of Hitler and the Franco – German – Italian axis of 1939 – 1945.

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#G336 – cross-party campaign for a REFERENDUM on whether Britain should stay in the EU

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 08/09/2010

#G336 – cross-party campaign for a REFERENDUM on whether Britain should stay in the EU

Hi,

I have had conversation with executive level in this campaign and am assured this is NOT involving Farage as a spoiler mission and that they are in negotiation with Nikki Sinclaire and her cross party Petition and see her activities and theirs as completely complimentary.

Clearly if Farage was involved there would be need to have care as to where the data went and what happens to any monies as Farage, David Lott & Mark Croucher fronted the UKIP Petition which ‘lost’ £1/4 Million of tax payers’ funds never accounted and was never carried out as a petition!

EU Referendum: Now for the most important vote of all
Daniel Hannan launches a cross-party campaign for a ballot on whether Britain should stay in the EU.
By Daniel Hannan
Published: 5:51PM BST 07 Sep 2010
No one under the age of 54 has been asked about Britain’s relationship with the EU.
No one under the age of 54 has been asked about Britain’s relationship with the EU
The decision to hold a referendum on the voting system has surely killed off, once and for all, any notion that plebiscites are alien to the British constitution. Referendums, once rare events, have become an unexceptional part of our democratic procedures. Before the election of Tony Blair, we had had only four such votes: one each in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and one across the UK on continued membership of the Common Market. Since 1997, however, there have been a further 39 local and regional ballots – not counting the hundreds of parish-wide polls called in 2007 to demand a national vote on Europe.
The question, these days, is not whether referendums are compatible with representative democracy, but what the next one will be about. If we are allowed a vote on how to elect our MPs, why not a vote on whether those MPs run the country? If we can have a referendum on whether to have a mayor in Hartlepool, what about one on whether the majority of our laws should be handed down from Brussels?
Today sees the launch of a cross-party initiative for precisely such a ballot. The EU Referendum Campaign brings together businesses, trade unions and members of all parties who want a vote on whether Britain should continue to be a member of the EU. We hope people will visit our website – EUReferendumCampaign.com – and sign our pledge.
European integration is precisely the kind of question that our great constitutionalists, Walter Bagehot, Thomas Erskine-May and, above all, A V Dicey, would have regarded as a proper subject for a popular ballot. It is an issue that divides all the main parties; an issue that cannot easily be settled at general elections; an issue of major constitutional significance; and an issue that sets Parliament against people. Opinion polls consistently show that between 40 and 55 per cent of voters want to withdraw from the EU, yet this position is shared by just one per cent of MPs. Here, in short, is a textbook case of where a referendum should serve as what Dicey called “the people’s veto”: a guarantee that politicians elected under one set of rules should not be able to change those rules without a further and explicit mandate.
No one under the age of 54 has been asked about Britain’s relationship with the EU. Yet there have been gargantuan transfers of power to Brussels since 1975. Then, the EEC was a trading association. Today, it is a proto-state, with a foreign minister and diplomatic corps, a police agency and criminal justice system, a parliament and government, a currency, driving licence, passport and flag. If ever there was a proper subject for a plebiscite, this is it.
Against all these arguments is levelled, if we are honest, only one: fear of the outcome. It is a rotten argument. As Vernon Bogdanor, the closest thing to a contemporary Dicey, puts it, “in the final analysis, the arguments against referendums are arguments against democracy”.
We see once again how, as well as being undemocratic in itself, the EU can require its member states to sacrifice a measure of their internal democracy. Seven governments had promised referendums on the European Constitution in 2005; six of them, fearing the result, went back on their words. Britain was one of those six.
This is as much about the integrity of our democratic institutions as about Europe. All three of our most recent prime ministers have promised us a vote on European integration. Here is Tony Blair in 2004: “There is no question of any constitutional treaty going through without the express consent of the British people…. Regardless of how other members vote, we will have a referendum on the subject.” Here is Gordon Brown’s 2005 election manifesto: “We will put it to the British people in a referendum.” And here is David Cameron in 2007: “Today, I will give you a cast-iron guarantee: If I become Prime Minister a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations”.
Trusting the electorate would be the best way to answer the criticism that politicians, as a class, are out-of-touch. Far from detracting from the sovereignty of Parliament, a referendum would restore a measure of that institution’s legitimacy. MPs should recognise that they are not the owners of our liberty, but its temporary and contingent custodians. If they want to carry on handing away our independence, they should have the decency to ask our permission.

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“In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.” Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821), Regards, Greg L-W. for all my contact details & Blogs: CLICK HERE British Politicians with pens and treachery, in pursuit of their own agenda and greed, have done more damage to the liberty, freedoms, rights and democracy of the British peoples than any army in over 1,000 years. The disastrous effects of British politicians selling Britain into the thrall of foreign rule by the EU for their own personal rewards has damaged the well-being of Britain more than the armies of Hitler and the Franco – German – Italian axis of 1939 – 1945.

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#G334* – THE PETITION IS UNDER WAY

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 26/08/2010

#334* – THE PETITION IS UNDER WAY –
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#G325* – EU Membership A REFERENDUM for IN or OUT

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 21/08/2010

#G325* – EU Membership A REFERENDUM for IN or OUT

Britons Offer Harsh Review of Country’s EU Membership
Published on Jun 01 – 2010
If a referendum on staying in the continental group were held today, 42% would vote to get out; 35% would vote to stay.
If given the chance, many people in Britain would distance their country from the European Union (EU), a new Angus Reid Public Opinion poll has found.
In the online survey of a representative national sample of 1,984 British adults, 51 per cent of respondents say EU membership has been moderately negative (26%) or very negative (25%) for the United Kingdom.
Conversely, seven per cent of Britons say the EU has been very positive for the UK, and 31 per cent regard it as moderately positive.
If a referendum on the UK’s permanence in the EU were called, two fifths of Britons (42%) would vote in favour of pulling out, while 35 per cent would vote to stay.
If a plebiscite on the UK adopting the euro were called, a large majority of Britons (79%) would vote against abandoning the pound as the national currency. Only nine per cent of respondents would welcome the euro.
Overall, party allegiances make some difference in how people in Britain feel about the EU. Conservative voters are largely inclined to say EU membership has been detrimental for the UK (66%), but so are many Labour (41%) and Liberal Democrat (41%) voters.
Almost half of Labour (48%) and Liberal Democrat (46%) followers would vote in favour of remaining in the EU in an eventual referendum, while a majority of Tories (57%) would vote to pull out.
Adopting the euro is out of the question for most Britons of all political stripes. At least seven-in-ten Liberal Democrats, Labour and Tory supporters would vote against embracing the EU currency.
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From May 21 to May 24, 2010, Angus Reid Public Opinion conducted an online survey among 1,984 randomly selected British adults who are Springboard UK panelists. The margin of error—which measures sampling variability—is +/- 2.2% for the entire sample. The results have been statistically weighted according to the most current education, age, gender and region data to ensure samples representative of the entire adult population of Great Britain. Discrepancies in or between totals are due to rounding.

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