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#G381* – The Police, The Government & Economic Collapse in an EU Perspective.

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 08/12/2010

#G381* – The Police, The Government & Economic Collapse in an EU Perspective.


here is a conversation I am engaged in at which you may find of some interest – you may care to join The Forum and join in!

For further information on The Police you will find the links in the right sidebar of this blog of help.

‘He’ as you will have realised is myself!

Oh. He’s[I] not[/I] a ‘Kipper. Being a minority party I obviously know a lot less about UKIP than I do the establishement parties.

The title YOU chose for the thread would tend to indicate prejudice rather than knowledge of party principles and economics.

I admit that I skim read his previous post, Major, since it was pretty much an angry rant, hard to follow when someone rants like that.

Perhaps that would explain why you found it hard to follow – try not to skim read it leads to misunderstandings.

My error was also based on the fact that this ‘independent’ sure seems to rant and write like most ‘Kippers that I have read on forums.

I am glad you have noticed a level of commitment and passion in the patriotic well being of our country amongst some, including myself.

That, plus his links in his sig.

I am so glad you found the time to read the links as clearly they are VERY broad based and provide a huge amount of factually supported information for you.

As I say, I am not as familiar with UKIP as I am other parties,

Then may I respectfully suggest you serve yourself ill by skim reading and leaping to accusatory conclusions!

however, it would not surprise me if their founder, and most of their membership, are disgruntled Tories, who, as far as I know, have no plans to leave the EU?

I understand from reading and studying political parties over best part of half a century that the backing of UKIP is almost equally ex Tory & Labour with a strong endorsement from Lib.Dims. who have been so betrayed by their party. That their leader is something of a spiv. with the attributes of a cartoon ‘Tory Boy’ tends rather to mislead.

There is a lot of EU bashing on here, yet, there must be[B] some[/B] benefit to it,

Have you studied the values, beliefs of the British peoples as reflected by the polls – perhaps a glance at [URL=”htt://”]htt://[/URL] would help as the results of various polls are readily available.

Perhaps as an excercise you could list the benefits of membership of the centralised, undemocratic, profligate over regulated EU for these United Kingdoms which could be justified in your most fancifull dream worth paying £48 Million a day for 365 days a week – try to show just ONE benefit perhaps!

at least in the eyes of our present Government, otherwise they would surely leave it, would they not – especially at a time when they are cutting costs.

You overlook just how venal and useless our Government has become and is – we have had 13 unlucky years of economic illiteracy and near criminal damage to Britain – do note that the Tories sat upon their hands as did the rump Lib.Dims.

You will have realised that Westminster is merely a rubber stamping office for EU diktat undemocratically imposed – under the terms of The EUropean Communities Act sectyion 2 part 2 or section one part 1 (sorry can’t remember which) clearly states that it is the duty of the Minister concerned to enact into British law EU diktat whether by Order in Council or Statutory Instrument – which may explain why more Law is enacted when Parliament is in recess than when in session.

This leads to about 82% of ALL law enacted at Westminster being undebated, in any meaningfull terms, and enacted by diktat – that the balance of ALL law is enacted must be compliant with EU law – thus Westminster no longer has any meaningfull duties or role.

Much hot air and a liberal dose of duplicitous window dressing is the only output of the EU.

I would agree with you that reforms of the police are probably needed.


I have always found them a dissapointment.

I believe few would disagree with you.

I can cite examples, if you or anyone else cares me to do so. [I]What[/I] would I reform?

Examples are easy to note perhaps you would care to cite the 37 summary executions carried out against citizens leading to murder for which no police officer has been on trial despite the indisputable unlawfull murders.

Well, there has to be greater consistancy in the way that they go about their business, that would be a start.

Indeed it would – for them to carry out that business atall in the manner the British public require would be quite a good start!

May just be me, but I thought they were there to apply the law of the land equally and without predjudice.

It is convincing these out of control oaffs of this fact that would be the place to start. Currently they are on ALL counts unfit for purpose and as for remuneration and reward I totally agree with Major S.

I don’t believe that their function is to apply it as and when[B] they[/B] see fit, to[B] who[/B] they see fit.

They have become a force answerable to their own remit designed and carried out in house.

Many police officers that I have come across are pretty thick!

A masterfull understatement in my experience.

I was required to give a statement about three years ago, and, during this I was asked what frame of mind a person was in. I considered the question before answering ‘I would describe them as being aloof’. The two officers, one male, one female, both aged about 21, they looked at one another as if I had just landed from Mars. After a short pause they replied ‘How do you spell that?’. I told them. Then they asked me what it MEANT!!! I find that unacceptable.

Sadly I do not believe that it would be easy to find individuals who would not replicate your experience.

It is just one example, Major, but it illustrates my view of the police very well.

I do agree.

Talk of 5% reduction per annum are sadly risible already there has been a reduction of between 35-45% reduction engineered during the later part of the economically illiterate 13 unlucky years – achieved by reduction of the purchasing power of the £.

Currently the obscene debt incurred by Gordon Brown’s incompetence will ensure further collapse of our currency only outspripped by The EUro with every likelihood of a total collapse of currency value in EUrope due to the complete incompetence of the EU to address or even understand the enormity of the EU’s financial crisis with no exports that are not over priced on a world market.

Britain can and could achieve a measure of self sufficiency despite the criminal irresponsibility of surrendering control of our borders to the malevollent EU. Leading irrefutably to the influx of economic alien invasion and gross over population – no invasion in history has represented such an influx of foreigners be they aliens from The EU – Africa or the Indian sub continent.

Whether parliament will be honest and point out that the police will have to join EVERY Government employee on 1/3 of the income they currently have or merely devalue to hide the fact is one of the great conundrums of the immediate future!

IF the police can not cope with the reality then it seems we will slide into bankruptcy at an escalating rate with an increasing degree of anarchic criminality.

I do hope you can cope with understanding my ‘rant’ but do excuse my increasing anger as I learn ever more of the enormity of the betrayal of these United Kingdoms by its utterly incompetent and frequently corrupt politicians and Snivil Cervants!

It is my belief that if our politicians lack the intelligence to realise that by failing to extricate ourselves from the EU RAPIDLY then I believe there is every possibility of around 200,000,000 deaths in famine, disease and the wars of dissassociation across EUrope where there Channel will do little to save us.


Is Britain so very different from the rest of the Western World?

“In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.” Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821), 

Greg L-W.

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British Politicians with pens and treachery, in pursuit of their own agenda and greed, have done more damage to the liberty, freedoms, rights and democracy of the British peoples than any army in over 1,000 years.

The disastrous effects of British politicians selling Britain into the thrall of foreign rule by the EU for their own personal rewards has damaged the well-being of Britain more than the armies of Hitler and the Franco – German – Italian axis of 1939 – 1945.

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#G326* – There But For The GREECE of God We See A DEATH SPIRAL!

Posted by Greg Lance - Watkins (Greg_L-W) on 21/08/2010

#G326* – There But For The GREECE of God We See A DEATH SPIRAL!

Entering a Death Spiral?

Tensions Rise in Greece as Austerity Measures Backfire

By Corinna Jessen in Athens
The austerity measures that were supposed to fix Greece’s problems are dragging down the country’s economy. Stores are closing, tax revenues are falling and unemployment has hit an unbelievable 70 percent in some places. Frustrated workers are threatening to strike back.
The feast of the Assumption of Mary on Aug. 15 is the high point of summer in the Greek Orthodox world. Here in one of the country’s many churches, believers pray to the Virgin for mercy, with many of them falling to their knees.
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The newspaper Ta Nea has recommended that the Greek government adopt the very same approach — the country’s leaders have to hope that Mary comes up with a miracle to save Greece from a serious crisis, the paper writes. Without divine intervention, the newspaper suggested, it will be a difficult autumn for the Mediterranean state. 

This dire prognosis comes even despite Athens’ massive efforts to sort out the country’s finances. The government’s draconian austerity measures have managed to reduce the country’s budget deficit by an almost unbelievable 39.7 percent, after previous governments had squandered tax money and falsified statistics for years. The measures have reduced government spending by a total of 10 percent, 4.5 percent more than the EU and International Monetary Fund (IMF) had required. 
The problem is that the austerity measures have in the meantime affected every aspect of the country’s economy. Purchasing power is dropping, consumption is taking a nosedive and the number of bankruptcies and unemployed are on the rise. The country’s gross domestic product shrank by 1.5 percent in the second quarter of this year. Tax revenue, desperately needed in order to consolidate the national finances, has dropped off. A mixture of fear, hopelessness and anger is brewing in Greek society.
Unemployment Rates of up to 70 Percent
Nikos Meletis is neatly dressed, and his mid-range car is clean and tidy. Meletis used to earn a good living at a shipbuilding company in Perama, a port opposite the island of Salamis. “At the moment, I’m living off my savings,” the 54-year-old welder says, standing in front of a silent harbor full of moored ships. 
Meletis is a day laborer who used to work up to 300 days a year; this year he has only managed to scrape together 25 days’ work so far. That gives him 25 health insurance stamps, when he needs 100 in order to insure himself and his family — including his wife, who has cancer. “How am I supposed to pay for the hospital?” Meletis asks. Unemployment benefits of at most €460 ($590) per month are available for a maximum of one year — and only if he can produce at least 150 stamps from the past 15 months.
There’s hardly a worker in the shipbuilding district of Perama who could still manage that. Unemployment in the city hovers between 60 and 70 percent, according to a study conducted by the University of Piraeus. While 77 percent of Greek shipping companies indicate they are satisfied with the quality of work done in Perama, nearly 50 percent still send their ships to be repaired in Turkey, Korea or China. Costs are too high in Greece, they say. The country, they argue, has too much bureaucracy and too many strikes, with labor disputes often delaying delivery times.
Perama is certainly an unusually extreme case. But the shipyards’ decline provides a telling example of the Greek economy’s increasing inability to compete. Barely any of the country’s industries can keep up with international competition in terms of productivity, and experts expect the country’s gross domestic product to fall by 4 percent over the course of the entire year. Germany, by way of comparison, is hoping for growth of up to 3 percent.
Sales Figures Dropping Everywhere
Prime Minister George Papandreou’s austerity package has seriously shaken the Greek economy. The package included reducing civil servants’ salaries by up to 20 percent and slashing retirement benefits, while raising numerous taxes. The result is that Greeks have less and less money to spend and sales figures everywhere are dropping, spelling catastrophe for a country where 70 percent of economic output is based on private consumption.
A short jaunt through Athens’ shopping streets reveals the scale of the decline. Fully a quarter of the store windows on Stadiou Street bear red signs reading “Enoikiazetai” — for rent. The National Confederation of Hellenic Commerce (ESEE) calculates that 17 percent of all shops in Athens have had to file for bankruptcy.
Things aren’t any better in the smaller towns. Chalkidona was, until just a few years ago, a hub for trucking traffic in the area around Thessaloniki. Two main streets, lined with fast food restaurants and stores catering to truckers, intersect in the small, dismal town. Maria Lialiambidou’s house sits directly on the main trucking route. Rent from a pastry shop on the ground floor of the building used to provide her with €350 per month, an amount that helped considerably in supplementing her widow’s pension of €320. 
These days, though, Kostas, the man who ran the pastry shop, who people used to call a “penny-pincher,” can no longer afford the rent. Here too, a huge “Enoikiazetai” banner stretches across the shopfront. No one wants to rent the store. Neither are there any takers for an empty butcher’s shop a few meters further on.
A sign on the other side of the street advertises “Sakis’ Restaurant.” The owner, Sakis, is still hanging on, with customers filling one or two of the restaurant’s tables now and then. “There’s really no work for me here anymore,” says one Albanian employee, who goes by the name Eleni in Greece. “Many others have already gone back to Albania, where it’s not any worse than here. We’ll see when I have to go too.”
No Way Out
The entire country is in the grip of a depression. Everything seems to be going downhill. The spiral is continuing unabated, and there is no clear way out. The worse part, however, is the fact that hardly anyone still hopes that things will improve one day.
The country’s unemployment rate makes this trend particularly clear. In 2009, it was 9.5 percent. This year it may rise to 12.1 percent and economists expect it to reach 14.3 percent in 2011. Those, though, are only the official numbers, which were provided by Angel Gurría, secretary general of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). The Greek trade union association GSEE considers those numbers far too optimistic. It considers 20 percent to be a more likely figure for 2011. This would put the unemployment rate as high as it was in 1960, when hundreds of thousands of Greeks were forced to emigrate. Meanwhile, purchasing power has fallen to its 1984 level, according to the GSEE.
‘Things Are Starting to Simmer’
Menelaos Givalos, a professor of political science at Athens University, has appeared on television, warning viewers that the worst times are still to come. He predicts a large wave of layoffs starting in September, with “extreme social consequences.”
“Everything is getting more expensive, I’m hardly earning any money, and then I’m supposed to pay more taxes to help save the country? How is that supposed to work?” asks Nikos Meletis, the shipbuilder. His friends, gathered in a small cafeteria on the pier in Perama, are gradually growing more vocal. They are all unemployed, desperate and angry at the politicians who got them into this mess. There is no sympathy here for any of the political parties and no longer any for the unions either. 
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“They only organize strikes to serve their own interests!” shouts one man, whose name is Panayiotis Peretridis. “The only thing that interests me anymore is my daily wage. A loaf of bread is my political party. I want to help my country — give me work and I’ll pay taxes! But our honor as first-class skilled workers, as heads of families, as Greeks, is being dragged through the dirt!”

“If you take away my family’s bread, I’ll take you down — the government needs to know that,” Meletis says. “And don’t call us anarchists if that happens! We’re heads of our families and we’re desperate.”
He predicts the situation will only become more heated. “Things are starting to simmer here,” he says. “And at some point they’re going to explode.”

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“In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.” Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821), 

Greg L-W.
for all my contact details & Blogs: CLICK HERE
British Politicians with pens and treachery, in pursuit of their own agenda and greed, have done more damage to the liberty, freedoms, rights and democracy of the British peoples than any army in over 1,000 years.

The disastrous effects of British politicians selling Britain into the thrall of foreign rule by the EU for their own personal rewards has damaged the well-being of Britain more than the armies of Hitler and the Franco – German – Italian axis of 1939 – 1945.

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