How France Treats It’s Citizens – To their eternal shame.

Posted by: Greg Lance-Watkins – Greg_L-W.


much is made of alleged British mistreatment of Muslims.

let me be very clear here, before I start – I do not buy into any belief in any god or gods and tend to believe there has been no greater source of evil or cover for evil than mankind’s determination to invent gods to worship/blame and then seek to force these superstitions on others.

In today’s world we are in the main saddled with the evils of a triumvirate of rival bronze age superstitions, invented with the purposes of control, a back up for tribal laws drawn up by elders and an answer for questions that could not be left for ever in the too difficult column!

Science has moved on, as has the thinking and recording abilities of mankind in the intervening years since Judaism, Christianity and Islam were invented and formed their many cults and schisms as rivals within the doctrines battle for power.

These master plans have to varying degrees moved on to capture new audiences as with adding spare god-like beings (prophets, angels and the like) to entrap the multi theists. Meanwhile new rituals and depictions were apposite to capture other followers, as with those who worshipped women in matriarchal superstitions, to whom the sop of ‘Mary’ in some quaint form of deity was added or ‘hallos’ to depict the sun and be a symbol for the sun god worshippers, be they amongst those worshipping Ra in Egypt or the rising sun of Wicker and the Celtic Druidic cultures or even the sun worship amongst the Incas and Aztecs.

Many aspects of symbolic and ritual use of candles have been introduced denoting both memory and purity as a sop to the Zoroastrians whose superstition had as it’s cornerstone the flame and who provided the 12 commandments from which both Christians and Jews adopted 10!

Now, of course, so-called Christianity is a host of different factions be they Catholic, Baptist, Anglican, Orthodox, Liberal, WeeFree, Presbyterian, Evangelical, Morman, born again, Mixed Presbyterian, New Life Ministry, Alpha Group, Emmanuel Baptist, Westboro baptist, church in Wales, high church, low church, Cathar, trapist, Russian orthodox, Greek orthodox, Quaker, franciscan, Fallmouth New Life Church, United Reform Church, dominican, Scottish Presbyterian, Dutch reformed, house, reformed, methodist, Jehova’s Witness, Later Day Saints,  and a host of other rival factions in christianity alone!

For a few 100 more factions in christianity alone CLICK HERE
Each with their own leaders, prophets, founders, customs and singular certainty making a mockery of the entire concept of so called ‘religion’.

The jews, the zionists, the khazara, the ashkenazi, the frummers, the muslims, the wahabe, sunni, shiite and their ilk are all broken into yet more fragments and possibly the only man who had the measure of them can be understood more clearly if you CLICK HERE (Sadly removed from YouTube in an act of censorship!) This however may give you the perspective that will help CLICK HERE

To add perspective CLICK HERE realising VY Masses Majoris at 62.5 AU is 1,000s of times the size of our sun at 1.2GM which is 1,000s of time the size of our weeny planet at 5.5MGM which itself is almost 3 times the size of Mars and much larger than Ceres, Iris, Pluto and our own moon!

Minded of, in my opinion, the utter irrelevance of mankind and our incredible insignificance in terms of our planet let alone our solar system and more significantly our universe as we understand it I find it completely implausible to believe in gods, let alone a supreme being overseeing us.

It seems that gods are little more than a bronze age superstition dreamed up on the back of earlier superstitions; superstitions that are and have remained arcane.

I do not deny that there are many people, indeed peoples, who have a need to believe in some all-powerful being, both to answer to in their aspirations and to blame for their own failures. It is when these rather bizarre and disparate rival views are used to inculcate rivalry, hatred and a need to proselytise that the concept becomes a force for evil and the more strident the belief is the more damaging that evil becomes.

I have no desire to force those who need a prop in their lives to kick over that prop but just as they might believe it unkind of me, were I to show their views to be false and force that view on them I find it deeply offensive that they seek to force their superstitions upon me.

I have lost more good friends as a result of their desperate insecurity and wish to force their views on me than for any other reason, force which is often initially displayed in the odious manner of patronising attitudes of we know better – when clearly they know nothing but seek to substitute knowledge as a terminology for their various beliefs.

I am happy for my friends, and others, that they have a prop for their lives and the goals that their superstition provides for them and do not seek to dominate their view with mine.

However please do not expect me to silently stand by and be insulted and abused when they display the desire to convert me or promote their, to me, risible superstition – particularly when in the whole of human history they can not offer a shred of evidence nor a body of proof of any consequence for their opinion.

They can not even put forward the glimmer of scientific provenance even by way of putting forward any example that can be measured and replicated – a practice considered so valid that not even the most simple of drugs may be placed on the market for use, without replicating it’s provenance in terms of either safety or efficacy!

It is for these reasons that I believe that a State religion is no more than a display of the desperate insecurity of that would be State, and where better to display this than the obscenity of the behaviour of zionism and zionists in Palestine and the manner in which, in the name of judaism they befoul the very tenets of judaism, the peoples of Palestine have been dispossessed, abused, hounded, persecuted and imprisoned behind walls and wire, in the world’s largest open prison in the name of the evil that judaism has permitted zionism to carry out in their name – to their eternal shame.

Indubitably the closest relation of the zionists are the followers of islam and it is easy to identify a number of States that are founded on the evil of enforcement of their chosen superstition upon its peoples, be that the oppressive wahabi followers of the kingdom of the Sauds, the extremism of the Yemen, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria, Oman, TAS and more where the barbarism of their laws and customs is endorsed and practiced by their rulers in the name of some twisted and evil interpretation of the bronze age writings of a self-styled cleric, slave dealer and prophet sponsored by the wealth of his considerably older wife!

Mohammed clearly drew up the tenets of belief in support of a largely rural peoples in a harsh desert region, short of water, where many of the peoples were nomadic – a codex designed to display hospitality, generosity, tolerance and other common values amongst the numerous family tribes, a codex by which they could live alongside each other in some harmony, a step forward from endless inter-tribal rivalries.

It was not long before the doctrine and its codex of civilising laws fell into the hands of men of evil seeking to interpret it to their own gain be they sunni, shiite, wahabi or a myriad of factions following false prophets and their so-called martyrs; many martyred in the name of one display of jealosy or greed or another between the factions.

Let us in the context of these facts consider France, which may seem something of a leap – but is it!

France, which lays claim to ‘the enlightenment’ yet through its history has resorted to barbarism, brutality and acts of cruel indifference and arrogance with the cloak of ‘patriotism’ being misrepresented as that of ‘nationalism’ as a particularly febrile cover for unbridled racism.

Consider the barbarism of the 1,000s of women burned at the stake in France in the Middle Ages and the cruelty of the great warlords of France where in massive opulence the likes of the Dukes of Corsay starved their peasant farmers and massacred their rivals – behaviour so redolent of the regime of the Sun King and the palaces and lifestyle of Versailles (“Je n’est pas dieu, je n’est pas roi je suis le Duc de Corsay”).

When in 1830 the French invaded Algeria confronting muslims and their heritage they devised, over the next century their codex of law for the conquered peoples of Algeria an ‘Indigenous Code’ that not only denied the indigenous peoples any right or opportunity to access education for their children, self-respect or positions of any responsibility in governance. A codex that justified French brutality and massacres of literally 1,000s of the indigenous peoples.

The barbarity of the French was akin to the brutality of the Spanish & Italian Conquistadores in central and south America of a previous era, or the Belgians in the Congo & Germans in both German West Africa (The genocide of the Herero and the Mama) and the jews & gypsies in Europe.

The French claim of civilisation is only surface deep only as displayed by the fact that when eventually in 1954 the Algerians rose against this bestial behaviour, seeking independence and the dignity of self-determination.

The efforts to repress the Algerians were obscene in their brutality with the French Government tacitly authorising torture, beatings and killings and never holding anyone to account as they spirited away the criminals acting on the State’s behalf, be they police, French paras or Legion Etranger.

Little wonder that the Algerians increasingly retaliated more violently with the FLN, CRUA, APP & MNA when General Massu instituted concentration camps for some 2 million rural Algerians and punitive strikes against villages that were thought to perhaps harbour dissidents from the FLN which he ruthlessly destroyed on the orders of Charles de Gaulle in 1956 forming the groundwork of ‘apartheid’ as practiced by the boers in South Africa.

Then in 1958 General Salan implemented a policy of division enforced by the injustice of collective responsibility in the style of the Germans/Nazis in the conquest of such areas of France that did not succumb.

Finally the vote for independence was forced upon the French and was almost unanimous in its opposition to French rule.

Some 4-6 million French citizens living in ghettos in France are of Algerian descent to this day, where due to the racist nature of the French and the brutality of their management of minorities the hatreds have continued and they are treated disgracefully, building a future of unresolved problems, where those of Algerian descent have difficulty in finding education for their children, health care, housing and work, leaving them bereft of hope and with increasing, and dangerous, resentment where the French seek to blame the results on Islam, when clearly it is only the evil lunatic fringe of Islamism that exploits this in terms of criminality – similar to the criminal exploitation in Ireland by the IRA!

Consider the reporting of the French massacre of those of Algerian descent in France of 1961, as featured below and consider what problems such brutality is storing up for the France of the future in its racist nationalism and it would seem deservedly so!


The modern massacre that shames the French: The police slaughter of Algerian immigrants (just 50 years ago) that’s been airbrushed from history

They were a terrifying sight, fully kitted out for battle and raring to go. At the other end stood another line of police, also armed with batons and rifles.

In between them stood around 100 unarmed and very frightened Algerians. Carrying banners and placards, they had come onto the streets of the French capital with 30,000 others that day to protest at official curbs on their freedom to move about the city.

The date was October 17, 1961 – 50 years ago this month – and the bloodbath that was to unfold that autumn day was to be one of the most barbaric and shaming events in ‘civilised’ Europe’s post-war history.

Violence: Algerian protesters were slaughtered by French police on the streets of Paris on October 17, 1961

It still casts an uneasy shadow over France’s large population of North African immigrants. For decades, the truth about October 17 was suppressed. Even today, to a certain extent, France is deluded about what it reveals about the dark racist streak in the country’s psyche.

Under the presidency of General Charles de Gaulle, France was the land of liberty, equality and fraternity, yet what lay just beneath the surface was about to be revealed — repression, racism and violence.

The police began to advance, slowly, from either side, but this was no ‘kettling’ exercise designed to contain and disperse the demonstrators. The intention was to beat, maim and kill.

The trapped Algerians — citizens of France, in fact, because Algeria was at that point still a French colony — had nowhere to run.

As the two police lines met, batons were swung, shots were fired, panicking men, women and even children were cut down. Some were hurled, dead or alive, into the waters of  the Seine.

All over Paris, similar fatal clashes were taking place as the police used indiscriminate and unfettered force to break up the demonstration.

Under the presidency of General Charles de Gaulle, France was the land of liberty, equality and fraternity, yet what lay just beneath the surface was revealed that night - repression, racism and violence

Under the presidency of General Charles de Gaulle, France was the land of liberty, equality and fraternity, yet what lay just beneath the surface was revealed that night – repression, racism and violence

Algerians arriving from the shanty towns on the city outskirts where they lived were ambushed at Metro stations, herded together and beaten with truncheons. Eye-witnesses saw police cornering Algerians in side streets and clubbing them at will.

At some of Paris’s most famous tourist landmarks — from the Arc de Triomphe to the Place de la Concorde, the Champs Elysees and the Latin Quarter — there were vicious and utterly one-sided street battles.

Hadj Abdel Aziz was organising demonstrators in the Place de la Nation, the same square where, in the French Revolution 200 years earlier, the guillotine had operated.  It was now the scene of a new kind  of terror.

‘The police shot at people, who fell down wounded or dead,’ he says. ‘Everyone scattered, and I ran to  the entrance to the Metro where I was kicked and crushed. I got  home covered in blood and broken by my wounds.’

How many Algerians did not make it home is still a matter of conjecture and dispute. The official police figure that day was an impossible three dead — two Algerians shot and one, they said, who had died from a heart attack. Algerian sources went to the other extreme, claiming 300 deaths.

The exact number has never been pinned down. In so far as there is any consensus even now on the October 17 death toll, it is only that anywhere between 32 and 200 were killed.

Disgrace: The event still casts an uneasy shadow over France's large population of North African immigrants - and for decades, the truth about October 17 was suppressed

Disgrace: The event still casts an uneasy shadow over France’s large population of North African immigrants – and for decades, the truth about October 17 was suppressed

What is certain is that for weeks after, bodies were washed up on the banks of the river. According to the Left-wing writer Simone de Beauvoir: ‘Corpses were found hanging in  the Bois de Boulogne and others, disfigured and mutilated, in the Seine.’

Some of the police involved were so disgusted at their own actions that, many years later, they confessed to taking part in a hate crime.

‘For two hours we hunted and shot anything that moved,’ says one, named Raoul Letard. ‘We were waging a war and our adversary was the Algerians.’

So what precisely was it that sparked off events that left the streets of Paris and the river Seine running with blood?

In Algeria, France’s North African colony since 1830, separatists had been fighting a bloody terrorist war for independence for seven years, and were on the verge of winning.

The 200,000-strong Algerian community living and working in France at that time were considered by the security forces to be a suspicious and dangerous fifth column.


Some of the police involved were so disgusted at their own actions that, many years later, they confessed to taking part in a hate crime.

The violence of the fighting in Africa had spread on to the streets of France as supporters of the two rival factions vying for power in Algeria clashed openly in Paris.

When they weren’t killing each other, they targeted policemen with bullets and bombs.

Onto the scene came one of the most controversial figures in modern French politics — Maurice Papon.

He had been a leading figure in the French police force that collaborated with the Germans in World War II. (In 1998 he would be convicted of having rounded up Jews to send to Auschwitz, jailed for ten years and disgraced.)

But in the aftermath of the war,  he and many other collaborators  like him had been accepted back into the fold.

He became a police chief in Algeria, and in dealing with the guerrilla forces of the Algerian National Liberation Front, the FLN, he built a fearsome reputation for brutality, summary executions and torture.

And then he was appointed prefect of police in Paris to crack down on any trouble from Algerians in the city.

The lugubrious Papon — the sort of man who never used a nutcracker when a sledgehammer would do — immediately set out his stall by recruiting a special police force of former soldiers who had fought for France in Algeria and had no love for its people.

He gave them free rein to stop and search, detain without charge and torture French-based members of the FLN.

De Gaulle dismissed the killings as 'a matter of secondary importance', and in 1968 issued an amnesty to all police personnel for crimes committed during the war with Algeria

De Gaulle dismissed the killings as ‘a matter of secondary importance’, and in 1968 issued an amnesty to all police personnel for crimes committed during the war with Algeria

In essence, he unleashed a dirty  war against the entire Algerian community, all of whom he considered to be suspects.

But the FLN was not about to be cowed. With diplomatic negotiations underway to bring the war in Algeria to an end and give the country its independence, it attempted to hurry things along by stepping up terror attacks on the streets of Paris.

Twenty policemen were killed, half of them in the first two weeks of October 1961.

At one emotion-charged funeral, Papon promised retaliation. ‘For each blow received, we’ll respond with 10,’ he told them. He then announced a curfew on the so-called ‘French Muslims of Algeria’. They were banned from the streets between 8.30pm and 5.30am.

The FLN hit back with mass demonstration, ruthlessly using death threats to coerce some of  its more reluctant supporters to join in.

Cannily it gave the order that they were to go on to the streets totally unarmed, with not even a penknife that might be seen as an offensive weapon and invite retaliation. Organisers even frisked those taking part to make sure they weren’t carrying hidden weapons.

Some demonstrators were arrested and taken to police headquarters near Notre Dame, where they were confined in a courtyard and battered to death. Police handing out the beatings first removed the identification numbers from their uniforms.

Papon flooded Paris with 7,000 police, possibly more. He wound them up to a pitch of fury and then unleashed them with the promise they would never be called to account for anything they did that day.

‘I give you my word that you will be covered,’ he told them.

The stage was set for a vindictive act of vengeance that would quickly descend into mass murder.

Nor was it just in the streets that violence took place. Some demonstrators were arrested and taken to police headquarters near Notre Dame, where they were confined in a courtyard and battered to death.

Police handing out the beatings first removed the identification numbers from their uniforms.

Senior officers — quite possibly even Papon himself — watched the brutality, ignoring pleas by shocked officers to halt the killing.

Meanwhile, as many as 14,000 other Algerians were being rounded up and detained in internment centres. There, more harsh treatment was meted out with rifle butts and pick handles.

‘They tortured us with hot iron rods to learn the names of our leaders. At night they woke us with jets of water,’ says one man.

He recalled having to go through a gauntlet of baton-wielding riot police to get to the toilets. ‘We preferred to pee in our pants.’

A cover-up began as soon as the mayhem on the streets subsided, with Papon maintaining his men had fired only after they themselves had been shot at. He claimed that any bodies in the street were  the result of in-fighting among Algerians themselves. The Paris newspapers generally accepted this explanation and dug no deeper.

The Communist Party spoke out against what had happened, as did isolated groups and some individuals in the Paris council and the national government.

It was not until the Eighties suspicions about what happened on the terrible day rose to the surface and investigations began

It was not until the Eighties suspicions about what happened on the terrible day rose to the surface and investigations began

But since cameras had been confiscated from photographers who filmed incidents that did not fit the official story and newspaper accounts were censored, there was no hard evidence to go on.

There was no wave of revulsion that could disturb the French government’s position. The waters closed over the entire incident.

Then, when the Algerian war ended in a truce just months later in March 1962 and Algeria won its independence, the hate-filled events of October 17, 1961, seemed redundant — best glossed over by all sides in the spirit of co-operation between France and the new Algerian government.

De Gaulle dismissed the killings as ‘a matter of secondary importance’, and in 1968 issued an amnesty to all police personnel  for crimes committed during  the war with Algeria. No one was ever brought to account,  and silence about what had happened remained unbroken for two decades.

Now, 50 years on, it is finally clear that the French police force inflicted grotesque, racially-motivated violence on a community whose actions in no way merited the extreme punishment handed out to them.

It was not until the Eighties that suspicions about what happened on that terrible day rose to the surface and investigations began.

In 1991, a book reconstructing the day in detail put the number of Algerian deaths at 200 and used the word ‘massacre’.

Papon sued the author for libel, but lost the case after being forced to admit the body count he had put at three was at least ten times  that figure.

France and the world finally opened their eyes to what had happened on the Neuilly Bridge, the Place de la Nation and all the other dark spots in the so-called City of Light.

Now, 50 years on, it is finally clear that the French police force inflicted grotesque, racially- motivated violence on a community whose actions in no way merited the extreme punishment handed out to them.

Some believe that the massacre was the result of confused government policies towards North Africans in French society, which simultaneously tried to promote integration by offering them special assistance in health, education and jobs — while actively stoking up resentment against them.

The result of these mixed messages was an eruption of killing and a rift between the communities that has not healed to this day. Racism is rife in France and attacks on North Africans remain sickeningly commonplace.

They tend to live on blighted housing estates, the successors of the earlier shanty towns. Even today, these estates are regularly subjected to curfews, and paramilitary forces move in to deal with  any disturbances.

French Algerians report they are made to feel unwelcome in the city centre and Paris’s tourist spots.

France seems at last to be coming to terms with the shameful events of October 17, which is an official day of remembrance. But whether it has really learned any lessons from the brutal attacks on the Neuilly Bridge is another matter.

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Probably the sadest part of this story is that it is far from a single event and was the backbone of French North African policy over 130 years, a policy that has changed little to this day, when time and time again France is castigated by Amnesty International’s annual reports for the high level of deaths in custody of French citizens of Algerian descent and constant reports of brutality by the forces of the French Government.

One need look no further than the history of Mali, Chad, Niger, CAR and the like for further examples of such exorable colonial behaviour and brutality towards the indiginous peoples and Rwanda was a French colony where the French did such damage that it led to genocide where the French aided the Hutu and became complicit in the genocide.

Slavery has been endemic in Africa since time immemorial whether as slaves of the Pharaohs building the irrigation channels of the Nile, the quarries for the stone used to build their palaces, temples and tombs, in fact, the Pyramids themselves. Or perhaps amongst the 12,000 slaves & 60,000 bondsmen who accompanied Mansa Musa of Mali on his hajj of 1324-5, or amongst his slaves in his gold mines or perhaps those who built his Mosques as he is reputed to have built a new Mosque every Friday! It was of course his army of slaves that built the palace, Mosque, fortifications, library & university of Sankore & Timbuktu.

Perhaps we should consider the millions of slaves seized by black tribal leaders and chiefs who were then sold into the black slave trade many of whom were sold to the Arab & Caucasian slave traders, though many died at the hands of their original captors. Or should we consider the Million or so white slaves pressganged & captured for enslavement and to trade by the blacks of the Barbary Coast or even the many British slaves who were captured and moved across the Roman Empire to build such as the Colosseum in Rome or the forts of North Africa!

It is an act of staggering ignorance when we see the ill-informed trying to lay blame for slavery on Europeans when they participated for a very brief period and were all too often taken as the slaves, it was the blacks of Africa who enslaved the clear majority and relatively the whites were very much bit players.

It was clearly neither the blacks nor the Arabs who brought an end to slavery, but very clearly the British who not only ended slavery but policed the world to prevent it, with the British Navy patrolling the oceans to prevent the transportation of slaves.

Just as it is hard , whether in the context of time or crassly without the context of time, to establish any harm done to any country we colonised relative to the advances and pax Britannica we imposed, we not only brought peace to most areas but also trade and opened trade routes that had immense mutual benefit.

In India we were able to bring an end to the rivalries of the various Sultanates and the Fiduciary States and the use of a common language gave great mobility to the peoples of India together with both a highway system and eventually the railways – a system that reduced the endemic cyclical famines of India.

Consider the civil wars of Angola & Mozambique resultant from the failures of Portuguese colonisation or the genocide of the Herero & Mama by the Germans in South West Africa across the Namib, the genocide in Rwanda which was directly attributable to the French, the vast body of slaves held by Belgium in the Congo – the list is long – but relative to the trade, abolition of slavery, introduction of rule of law and democratic governance it is hard to match the record of the British.

It is little wonder that so very many of just so many nationalities have chosen to settle in these overcrowded islands, Britain having led the way in terms of democracy, labour rights, human rights, internationalism, liberty and medicine – clearly many who come here lose contact with the history of their countries and find the extent of Britain’s tolerance and culture difficult to cope with, within a generation or two seeking to blame their own failures of their host rather than assimilate as the British have made it clear they can.

One starts to realise that those who fail to integrate will never be happy here and might well be better served by returning to their countries of ancestral origin, where clearly without culture or values which they have to assimilate and fit in with they are best suited. There is little value for them in remaining in the belief that they can tear down history and blithely disregard the facts to create a country without values and a common cultural background, a country in the image of what little they know of their origins, origins from which their predecessors fled to remain with the values and culture of Britain.

Without a clear understanding of history and the obvious integrity to respect history in the context of both time and it’s values they are unlikely to ever be happy here as even the EU has realised the British peoples will not destroy their culture, democracy and values to pander to anyone.

I would suggest as one of foreign ancestry in Britain one would do well to be minded of Rudyard Kipling’s advice to the Norman incomers of the 11th. Century:

“My son,” said the Norman Baron, “I am dying, and you will be heir
To all the broad acres in England that William gave me for share
When he conquered the Saxon at Hastings, and a nice little handful it is.
But before you go over to rule it I want you to understand this:–

“The Saxon is not like us Normans. His manners are not so polite.
But he never means anything serious till he talks about justice and right.
When he stands like an ox in the furrow – with his sullen set eyes on your own,
And grumbles, ‘This isn’t fair dealing,’ my son, leave the Saxon alone.

“You can horsewhip your Gascony archers, or torture your Picardy spears;
But don’t try that game on the Saxon; you’ll have the whole brood round your ears.
From the richest old Thane in the county to the poorest chained serf in the field,
They’ll be at you and on you like hornets, and, if you are wise, you will yield.

“But first you must master their language, their dialect, proverbs and songs.
Don’t trust any clerk to interpret when they come with the tale of their wrongs.
Let them know that you know what they’re saying; let them feel that you know what to say.
Yes, even when you want to go hunting, hear ’em out if it takes you all day.

They’ll drink every hour of the daylight and poach every hour of the dark.
It’s the sport not the rabbits they’re after (we’ve plenty of game in the park).
Don’t hang them or cut off their fingers. That’s wasteful as well as unkind,
For a hard-bitten, South-country poacher makes the best man- at-arms you can find.

“Appear with your wife and the children at their weddings and funerals and feasts.
Be polite but not friendly to Bishops; be good to all poor parish priests.
Say ‘we,’ ‘us’ and ‘ours’ when you’re talking, instead of ‘you fellows’ and ‘I.’
Don’t ride over seeds; keep your temper; and never you tell ’em a lie!”

It would not be foolish if seeking to alter and debase the values held in Britain to take note of Kipling’s poem:

The Land

When Julius Fabricius, Sub-Prefect of the Weald,
In the days of Diocletian owned our Lower River-field,
He called to him Hobdenius-a Briton of the Clay,
Saying: "What about that River-piece for layin'' in to hay?"

And the aged Hobden answered: "I remember as a lad
My father told your father that she wanted dreenin' bad.

An' the more that you neeglect her the less you'll get her clean.

Have it jest as you've a mind to, but, if I was you, I'd dreen.

So they drained it long and crossways in the lavish Roman style--
Still we find among the river-drift their flakes of ancient tile,
And in drouthy middle August, when the bones of meadows
We can trace the lines they followed sixteen hundred years ago.

Then Julius Fabricius died as even Prefects do,
And after certain centuries, Imperial Rome died too.

Then did robbers enter Britain from across the Northern main
And our Lower River-field was won by Ogier the Dane.

Well could Ogier work his war-boat --well could Ogier wield his
Much he knew of foaming waters--not so much of farming land.

So he called to him a Hobden of the old unaltered blood,
Saying: "What about that River-piece; she doesn't look no good?"

And that aged Hobden answered "'Tain't for me not interfere.

But I've known that bit o' meadow now for five and fifty year.

Have it jest as you've a mind to, but I've proved it time on ' time,
If you want to change her nature you have got to give her lime!"

Ogier sent his wains to Lewes, twenty hours' solemn walk,
And drew back great abundance of the cool, grey, healing chalk.

And old Hobden spread it broadcast, never heeding what was
Which is why in cleaning ditches, now and then we find a flint.

Ogier died.
 His sons grew English-Anglo-Saxon was their name--
Till out of blossomed Normandy another pirate came;
For Duke William conquered England and divided with his men,
And our Lower River-field he gave to William of Warenne.

But the Brook (you know her habit) rose one rainy autumn night 
And tore down sodden flitches of the bank to left and right.

So, said William to his Bailiff as they rode their dripping rounds:
"Hob, what about that River-bit--the Brook's got up no bounds? "

 And that aged Hobden answered: "'Tain't my business to advise,
But ye might ha' known 'twould happen from the way the valley

 Where ye can't hold back the water you must try and save the

 Hev it jest as you've a mind to, but, if I was you, I'd spile!"

 They spiled along the water-course with trunks of willow-trees,
 And planks of elms behind 'em and immortal oaken knees.

 And when the spates of Autumn whirl the gravel-beds away
 You can see their faithful fragments, iron-hard in iron clay.
 Georgii Quinti Anno Sexto, I, who own the River-field,
 Am fortified with title-deeds, attested, signed and sealed, 
 Guaranteeing me, my assigns, my executors and heirs
 All sorts of powers and profits which-are neither mine nor theirs,

 I have rights of chase and warren, as my dignity requires.

 I can fish-but Hobden tickles--I can shoot--but Hobden wires.

 I repair, but he reopens, certain gaps which, men allege,
 Have been used by every Hobden since a Hobden swapped a

Shall I dog his morning progress o'er the track-betraying dew?
Demand his dinner-basket into which my pheasant flew?
Confiscate his evening ****** under which my conies ran,
And summons him to judgment? I would sooner summons Pan.

His dead are in the churchyard--thirty generations laid.

Their names were old in history when Domesday Book was made;
 And the passion and the piety and prowess of his line
 Have seeded, rooted, fruited in some land the Law calls mine.

 Not for any beast that burrows, not for any bird that flies,
 Would I lose his large sound council, miss his keen amending

 He is bailiff, woodman, wheelwright, field-surveyor, engineer,
 And if flagrantly a poacher--'tain't for me to interfere.

 "Hob, what about that River-bit?" I turn to him again,
 With Fabricius and Ogier and William of Warenne.

 "Hev it jest as you've a mind to, but"-and here he takes com-

 For whoever pays the taxes old Mus' Hobden owns the land

If you have some intention to change Britain to suit your values and perception of culture perhaps you would be well advised to take some time out before embarking on your mission, to read the complete works of Rudyard Kipling, who was born in India in 1865 and earned his Nobel Laureat when 42 after a period living in Vermont, USA!

His experiences and education gave him a great insight into character, culture and values!

It is hard to find a country that was a loser by British colonisation as they moved from the barbarism that most had suffered, to the modern world with democratic stability and safety in international trade that has modernised and enhanced great swathes of our planet and stood so many countries in good stead.

Consider the manner in which the French fled Viet-Nam at Dien Bien Fu not only abandoning such allies as they had amongst the people, leaving all their records to incriminate them, for the incoming Viet Cong to pore over and single out their victims, but also using the Legion Etranger to cover their backs as they shamelessly fled, abandoning some 1,200 Legion Etranger to torture and death as the city fell.

For all its protestations of civilisation France has a long record of duplicity as displayed by the acquiescence to Nazi Germany of its Vichy Government and in a nation of some 60 million many are surprised to note that the much vaunted Maquis amounted to a mere 2,000 at best whilst the likes of Francoise Mitterand and his cronies colluded with the Nazis and together with Klaus Barbie deported 1,000s of French jews in an act of ethnic cleansing to the German-run slaughter institutes of Auschwitz, Bergen Belsen, Treblinka and the like.

It is hard to consider that any form of uprising of those of Algerian descent in France, even as French citizens, is other than well earned!


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