HOLLIE GREIG – Lorraine LOUDON a Retrospective

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From: Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com

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Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 1:35 PM

Subject: RE: THE RALLY – http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/2010/08/sk-h325.html

From: Greg Lance-Watkins
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Lorraine LOUDON
as she sees herself!

Hi,

With respect Ms. Louden may I suggest you take a deep breath, make a cup of tea and sit down and read what I have actually said on StolenKids-Hollie.

I do believe that if you could set your preconcieved ideas to one side and use purely reason you would be more inclined to make a rational judgement.

Your letter to me was an attempt to make a rational case for your opinion – yet as ever I find you have rather missed the point as so often the case with people bringing to bear emotion in a hard cold case of fact.

I have promoted anti abuse causes for probably longer than you have been alive. I too was abused as a child but fortunately the sexuality did not occur to me at the age I was abused – I was fortunate but endlessly being beaten as an 8 year old was far from understandable with parents serving overseas in the military.

I regret I can not take the laise faire approach to Robert Green’s undeniable criminality that many seem to – I am the first to admit that I too was duped on the ‘STORIES’ initially – but I doubt ANYONE has studied the data, documentation, letters and reports as asidiously as I and I have done so with a somewhat jaundiced eye for at least 18 months.

You may and will believe what youwish but do understand that based upon the facts of which I am aware I would seem to have reached a different conclusion. I am more than happy to discuss why I have reached that conclusion but when web sites and facebook individuals are set up to personally attack one and having taken the ethical step of ONLY posting my beliefs in my own name to find that based upon lies from some coward my FaceBook site is deleted and gutter trash like Paul Drockton set up serial sites to lie, defame, libel and abuse and such as Belinda McKenzie sets up an actual web site on which she lies through her teath about me inventing the most ridiculous scenarios and scum like Matt Quinn and David Icke deliberately lie and mislead perhaps when all of this is happening you will concede I have some justification in my reaction.

I declined to climb in their gutter with them as the aim was, is and will be to study the FACTS seek to establish the TRUTH and obtain JUSTICE.

What exactly is YOUR aim such that you seek to abuse me and misrepresent me?

Perhaps you would be so good as to rationally, as an adult put forward your factual data that would suffice to pass as evidence which would establish in a Court of Law that not only had Hollie Greig been not merely abused in someones vague opinion but PROOF and perhaps someone can explain to the barristers in this court how come this child with a mental age of 3.1/2 was able to maintain the lie to her mother for 14 years and how she managed to conceal the inevitable damage of a ‘Rape Gang’ annally and vaginally raping her to the point of bleeding without her Mother, her Doctor, her carers, her Gran, her Aunts, her class mates, her teachers ever finding out.

It would seem this is a very consumate liar for a 3.1/2 year old. May we also be told how her mother never noticed – are you claiming she only started noticing and caring for her daughter when she reached 20.

Do you concede that ALL the evidence shows that Roy Greig committed suicide whilst very drunk with seemingly good reason.

There being more holes in Anne Greig’s ‘STORIES’ than a well worn string vest perhaps you can explain why no rational discussion is permitted – is everyone all of a sudden a juvenile idiot who must do as they are told or be abused and attacked?

Ms. Louden I think your contentions are plain wrong and your attack on me is clearly outrageous based on your seeming absolute lack of factual substantiation.

That does not grant me the right to abuse and insult you, nor threaten to kill you, nor phone you and make death threats – your comments were clearly over the top for an adult but let us let that pass – why be so rude it damages your contentions.

What exactly do you know about these ‘STORIES’ are you able to provide as yet unseen material that may be construed as evidence and if so please martial it and present it – I will be the very first to stand in Court and present it just as I was the very first of the assorted company that has climbed on the bandwagon to actually do any work on these ‘STORIES’ and seek to raise their profile with long term contacts in main stream papers – where were you and more especially the loud mouthed abusers and liars like George McKendrick, Paul Drockton, Brian Gerrish, david Icke, Paul Cruickshank, Stuart Usher and need I continue as you know all too well the scum that have turned out as the lynch mob all too willing to criminally publish and distribute the names of victims, abusers and even murderers long after it has been shown beyond all reasonable doubt that there is no substantive corroborated valid evidence and no legal or legitimate right or reason to name clearly innocent individuals.

As for your clearly ridiculous claim pertaining to the rally – perhaps whilst drinking the cup of tea I advocated earlier you would be so good as to read what I ACTUALLY wrote not what you surmised me to have said. You will no doubt be interested in the thoughts and comments of Sheva Burton of Cross of Change had to say or the comments of others who are NOT so crano rectally retentive with regard to Anne Greig’s ‘STORIES’ you will note how clearly they seem to concur with my predictions and also my summary.

I do trust you will be a little more mature and rational than others and will at least try to explain your case for discussion.

If you can not would you be so good as to publish an apology for your false accusations and misrepresentations as it will have been shown conclusively they are a pack of lies based upon no sound facts.

Thank you in anticipation of your extending that courtesy.

Regards,

Greg L-W.

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—–Original Message—–
From: Lorraine Loudon [mailto:lorraine_loudon@hotmail.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 11:31 AM
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Subject: RE: THE RALLY – http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/2010/08/sk-h325.html

Hi ,
 
I am disgusted , YOU stoop so low ,to  try and jump on the bandwagon of a Rally organised for protecting and helping Children ?  you have no morals, no ethics, no empathy and no compassion for all these people attending such a worth while cause ,shame on you .
 
Emailing people under the pretext of letting people know about the Rally ,who you know were well aware of  it ,we all know you  did this to pedal your usual abuse and ego driven attacks on Anne and Robert , and of course to upset people who did not want your disgusting emails sent to them !!!

Your attempts to put stories out accusing people of Abuse !! when they respond to tell you to refrain from pedalling your rubbish , by saying they are not supporting such a good cause ,like you are ???
 
You,  who release pictures saying the Rally was not that busy ,  ridicule it and the people who attended it , what ??
Not one decent person who believes in protecting children from abuse, would use this Rally to attack and abuse people who attended. I am afraid you have shown what an nasty , evil man you are ,no doubt you will have great fun collecting all your emails together to put up on your poor excuse of support for children Blog, well done on your support for the Rally yesterday and all your positive honourable input to it will be well remembered by all.
 
Please remove me from your email list as of now.
 
Lorraine Loudon

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Subject: THE RALLY – http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/2010/08/sk-h325.html
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2010 06:25:37 +0100

From: Greg Lance-Watkins
eMail: Greg_L-W (Greg_L-W@BTconnect.com)

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Firstly may I thank Matt QUINN for the mailing list used here, as I have merely hit >REPLY ALL< on one of his self serving vituperative eMails – which I found so interesting I decided to continue watching paint dry! There is at least a certain degree of satisfaction in accuracy and none in Matt Quinn’s braggadocio and pathetic angry inadequacy as a man – a sad wee bully. A classic abuser and stalker with a long track record on the internet – if you are bored enough to track it down when the paint dries!!

Hi,

I believe you will find this blog a sad reflection on just what abuse of people can achieve when those systematically seeking to profit and gain from the ‘STORIES’ of Anne Greig and by abuse and exploitation of Hollie become involved with decent folk and when abusers like those I have justifiably named and provided provenance of abuse seek to hi-jack honest causes for personal gain:

http://stolenkids-hollie.blogspot.com/2010/08/sk-h325.html

The preceding blogs show in what vile ways Paul Cruickshank and George McKendrick have acted as abusers – that does not of course include the many cowardly personnas George McKendrick, Paul Drockton and others use on the internet – where anonymity is used as a cowardly screen for their serial abuse of people – just as the abuser of children and women act in positions of secrecy and anonymity to carry out their vile abuse – there is but a cigarette paper difference in the personality type.

Regards,

Greg L-W.

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