#G273* – From a Forum I’m On @ http://www.Politic.co.UK

please don’t read this if you are not genuinely interested as it is long.

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EU expanded too quickly and was not diligent or firm enough to exclude countries like Greece which had an questionable unstable run economy.
It is less that they expanded too quickly – the attempts of 1914 & 1939 were thwarted so they changed direction and by implementation of Funk’s plan of Feb. 1942 & Heidricht’s ‘How will Germany Dominate The Peace When It Loses The War’ of November 1942.

That it is founded largely on the lies of former generations and the Monnet Shoeman Plot helps little.

One starts to realise just how corrupt the entire concept is if one reads the very brief Treaty of Elysee, which can be found on my blogs.

As for Greece, it is debatable whether ANY Country actually complied with the conditions of the Euro and that the PIIGS are in such dire straights is exampled by Greece who to comply transferred massive debts to Goldman Sacks – the loans are now subject to repayment and Greece is largely unable to meet the interest let alone the capital repayments – hence a Bonds issue so that behind the scenes Germany can transfer a quick fix of some £4.5Billion without declaration as were it a loan or from an EU country it would be ultra vires but the purchase of bonds can obfuscate the transaction!

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Remember anyway Your argument would lead us back to the dark days militant confrontational nationalism between the main European powers,
The last 2 Europe wide wars were attempts by bellicose means to impose a Militaristic, centralised, EUropean Union on the peoples of EUrope.

The massacres since have been as a result of the EU, which has spectacularly failed to keep the peace and having so clearly and deliberately damaged NATO which has kept the peace over a larger area and defended the territories of EUrope we are in fact closer to the potential for Military Confrontation and in fact the ever present probability of wars of disassociation with famine that could cause upwards of some 200,000,000 deaths across EUrope.

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when in this day and age should it should be fighting against global warming
It is exceedingly difficult fighting against the cyclical output of energy from a nuclear driven star – any suggestions, much beyond a parasol?

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and the preservation of natural resources
Which natural resources concern you? Clearly we have coal to last until infinity as with oil, much of it as far untapped. Increasingly Nuclear fuel becomes not just expedient but inevitable – IF we can stay in the game long enough to bring it on stream – biomass, wind power and wave generation are without exception damaging to our environment, fuel hungry to produce and maintain and grossly inefficient to the point of retrograde.

Clearly since the EU has failed to even manage its own budget it is clearly not wise to give it further authority – prior to its existence EUrope was a net food exporter now we are a net food importer unable to feed ourselves and the EU has all but destroyed our fish stocks and fisheries.

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and the manner they are extracted to avoid world land and air pollution.
Important but not imperative – few extraction methods have much past local impact environmentally.

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As painful as this advance towards European federation seems to you and other sceptics,
& of course to those informed on the subject who choose not to bury their snouts in the trough, blinkered to the truth.

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the world is now developing into a mixed global economy.
No actually – more than ever in its history it is dividing into the starved, the starving and the immensely wealthy. The mixture of economies has collapsed due to the polarisation of supra national states and un-natural control as with the malign EU.

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Look no further than the auto, aircraft, and shipping industries to bear witness to this. The movement of industries
All of which these United Kingdoms have lost due to the EU which has centralised them and over regulated to the point where they are latgely failing – when a car can be imported and retailed from China or India NEW for under £1,500 a central overly technological industrial base can not compete any more than can the centralised airo industry which has moved deeply in debt due to its failure to produce within budget a viable product.

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from Britain to the third world by maximum profit seeking “patriots” is an example that the clock can never be put back to create the flag waving jingoism of the past.
Very much a byproduct of membership of the EU – first our national self respect was destroyed and as our industry was removed to the EU much then moved on to Asia and the Sino Asian tiger economies.

What is the EU if it is not a flag waving jingoist concept with its tedious banner with the enslaving barbed wire ring of stars,its self important pretend parliament its burgeoning army, its armed and indemnified EUroPol and its Odious To Joy EU National song.

Something of a recipe for war I feel.

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With the development of China as a global giant
Now in increasing confrontation with a rival Super Power or in terms of the EU should we say Supine Power in reflection of its serial failures not least of which is its currency and democracy!

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and the advance South American economies
Pray clarify ‘advance’ – there is no serious self sufficient vigerous economy in all of South America.

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we need to be an integral part of Europe to survive
Switzerland, Norway, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, and many more seem to do OK in liberty and independence – membership of the EU is akin to shackling oneself to a corpse!

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remembering our manufacturing base in relation to the developing giants is virtually non existent
Destroyed largely by membership of the EU – take the car industry where EU tender was forced upon the sale of Rover and it went – against my caveat at the time – to BMW which did EXACTLY as I warned , it asset stripped the company retained the £400,000,000 that was in the current account, shipped the R&D from Coventry and the new assembly line from Swindon and returned the evicerated carcass less the Mini, Land Rover and the viable bits of Rover.

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we can’t survive on dubious finance dealings forever.
It may surprise you WE CAN, but with a better regulated and better incentivised financial sector and then we can use much of the money generated to rebuild and revitalise our industrial base.

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Forging economic and political alliances between different countries was never going to be easy,
It was so easy we were the world’s greatest master of the art. Acting through the wall of over paid parasitic apparatchiks of the EU and imbecilic nebbishes with no experience like the present Government and Baroness Ashcan it is an impossibility that places these United Kingdoms on the schedule of the EU as NOT commercial but merely ‘Tourism’!!

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but it is only one of the answers in the fight to slow the planets continued advance towards self destruction.
The planet has absolutely no problem and will survive – it is mankind who has a problem and creating the lunacy of the EU actually exacerbates the problem as attention is introspective permitting in its self obsessed stupidity China to have literally bought Africa whilst France & Germany, under the Elysee treaty set out to fleece those stupid enough to be duped by the EU com.

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If the world is to survive for any real length of time,
The world will survive without problem – it will change but it is likely that 2/3s of mankind will be wiped out relatively soon as the balance population is somewhere between 1.5 & 2.5 Billion people.

Should the climate warm and all the ice melt, which is hugely unlikely as the planet is in fact COOLING despite the Warmists and their new religion which is as dependent on fear and mumbo jumbo as any religion before it yet rather less valid as it can and has been disproven whereas the other superstitions are hard to disprove as they have absolutely no substance.

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only international attempts at control of populations
That will be self regulating by pandemic as it always has been in the past – if the EU continues the wars of disassociation as it collapses and every constituent part tries to grab a bit for themselves may well solve Europe territorial problem.

IF the ice did all melt we have some tolerance as it liberates considerably more inhabitable territory than we loose to low lying inundation! Also there are believed to be vaste reserves of both coal and oil in Antarctica and we know Alaska is all but floating on oil from the work done at Gull Island, as with the oil fields of the Falklands ALL untouched as with the Caspian field.

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and management of production
As long as it is properly incemtivised with the people who provide the wherewithal for extraction in investment and manage it with brain input balancing their rewards versus those who use their brawn to maintain an incentivised status quo that should be no problem.

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of dwindling resources
Again you comment on ‘dwindle’ but yet you lead no example – what is dwindling in terms of resource – other than that which is managed by the EU where they have all but destroyed certin areas of agriculture and almost all of the fisheries.

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which will bring African and third world countries on board can be the worlds salvation.
There is not much of Africa of which I am not experienced and I have been to much of the third world – the damage done by countries like France, Belgium, Portugal and Germany in Africa has been massive – The EU has absolutely no idea how to assist Africa and is causing infinitely more damage than it is help.

The problem of Africa is largely down to failure to create a Middle Class and poor control of war lords. This gives rise to the poor management of grazing both by animals and by man (trees for fuel etc.) – the poor education across much of Africa and the imposition of idiotic and inappropriate religions/superstitions has underpinned the huge growth in population leading to the failure of Africa as a continent together with the belief that there is salvation from one’s own mess if one can but get to somewhere else to make one!

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A fairer distribution of world wealth and resources is the only way to bring peace to the African continent.
I disagree – incentive is the fairest system to ensure growth and peace. Peace in Africa would be utterly destroyed with any concept of distribution of wealth – the very concept is a failed Victorian ideal picked up and propounded via the Cathars in the writings of Marx and Engel which when you read them with some understanding and experience are the most idiotic clap trap – no wonder the USSR collapsed in pennuary having killed some 20 to 40,000,000 of its own people in persuit of the idiocy you now seek to impose on Africa.

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The EU is a step in the right direction for future generations
I regret NO ONE has managed to show in any way that there is any veracity in that overly simplistic jingo.

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and an example of co-operation which will encourage others.
As an example of co-operation it has been catastrophic – it has been top down imposition by some of the most venal self serving crooks politics has ever known.

Sorry that got a bit long but since you asked so many questions I felt it incumbent on me to respond.

Greg L-W.


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‘The arrogance and hubris of corrupt politicians
will be responsible for every drop of blood spilt
in the Wars of Disassociation, if Britain does not
leave the EU.

The ugly, centralised, undemocratic supra national policies being imposed by the centralised and largely unelected decisionmakers of The EU for alien aims, ailien values and to suit alien needs stand every possibility of creating 200,000,000 deaths across EUrope as a result of the blind arrogance and hubris of the idiologues in the central dictatorship, and their economic illiteracy marching hand in glove with the idiocy of The CAP & The CFP – both policies which deliver bills, destroy lives and denude food stocks.

The EU, due to the political idiocy and corruption of its undemocratic leaders, is now a net importer of food, no longer able to feed itself and with a decreasing range of over priced goods of little use to the rest of the world to sell with which to counter the net financial drain of endless imports.

British Politicians with pens and treachery, in pursuit
of their own agenda and greed, have done more
damage to the liberty, freedoms, rights and democracy
of the British peoples than any army in over 1,000 years.

The disastrous effects of British politicians selling Britain
into the thrall of foreign rule by the EU for their own
personal rewards has damaged the well-being of Britain
more than the armies of Hitler
and the Franco – German – Italian axis of 1939 – 1945.

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